Where are the open state catastrophes?

[Darth Omar]

Several states have been open long enough for the really bad things to happen and they simply aren’t happening.

A bump in case numbers doesn’t rate as ‘catastrophic’, btw.

Were the models wrong? Do many voters in many states feel like they were locked down for too long—for no really good reason?

Three hours ago Trump took to Twitter [in his customary all Caps] and tweeted STATES NEED TO OPEN UP.

The man’s political instincts rarely fail him.

[Charoite]

Grow up, little man.

[StoneByStone]

Several states have been open long enough for the really bad things to happen and they simply aren’t happening.

A bump in case numbers doesn’t rate as ‘catastrophic’, btw.

Were the models wrong? Do many voters in many states feel like they were locked down for too long—for no really good reason?

Three hours ago Trump took to Twitter [in his customary all Caps] and tweeted STATES NEED TO OPEN UP.

The man’s political instincts rarely fail him.

[Concart]

Several states have been open long enough for the really bad things to happen and they simply aren’t happening.

A bump in case numbers doesn’t rate as ‘catastrophic’, btw.

Were the models wrong? Do many voters in many states feel like they were locked down for too long—for no really good reason?

Three hours ago Trump took to Twitter [in his customary all Caps] and tweeted STATES NEED TO OPEN UP.

The man’s political instincts rarely fail him.

So a jump in cases isn't catastrophic? LOL at you. First come the cases, then come the hospitalizations, and then come the deaths. But no problem, right comrade?

[anatta]

Several states have been open long enough for the really bad things to happen and they simply aren’t happening.

A bump in case numbers doesn’t rate as ‘catastrophic’, btw.

Were the models wrong? Do many voters in many states feel like they were locked down for too long—for no really good reason?

Three hours ago Trump took to Twitter [in his customary all Caps] and tweeted STATES NEED TO OPEN UP.

The man’s political instincts rarely fail him.

we are past waiting it out. I was ready to go to the pool for the first time since quarantine,but it's pouring down rain

Georgia and Fl are OPEN UP

[anatta]

So a jump in cases isn't catastrophic? LOL at you. First come the cases, then come the hospitalizations, and then come the deaths. But no problem, right comrade?

It's almost moot at this point. The economy has to open up. People are already greatly damaged.
It's learning to cope with COVID time

[BartenderElite]

Why do you keep starting threads that will be easy to bump later?

I hope things don't go up. But there are more factors to spikes then simply "opening up" and "shutting down."

People keep talking about Georgia, for example. Is anyone factoring in how much a given state is traveled, and how many from out-of-state stay there? I always find it perplexing when people try to compare that area to NYC, where pretty much everyone around the world goes & travels through.

[BartenderElite]

It's almost moot at this point. The economy has to open up. People are already greatly damaged.
It's learning to cope with COVID time

I'm not sure why anyone is still complaining, or acting like there are leaders who are adament about staying shut down. All states are opening up now. Some more gradually than others, but all are on the same page that we can't continue shutting down, and we have to find a way to safely open up.

It's being done. There is nothing left to complain about, unless it's a hardship for someone to wear a mask. We'll have to see how it goes, and hope for the best.

[anatta]

Why do you keep starting threads that will be easy to bump later?

I hope things don't go up. But there are more factors to spikes then simply "opening up" and "shutting down."

People keep talking about Georgia, for example. Is anyone factoring in how much a given state is traveled, and how many from out-of-state stay there? I always find it perplexing when people try to compare that area to NYC, where pretty much everyone around the world goes & travels through.

Kemp was vilified "people die' crap.
Turns out he made the correct decision. That was back in April. Now it's mid-May. Just when do you want everything opened up

[anatta]

I'm not sure why anyone is still complaining, or acting like there are leaders who are adament about staying shut down. All states are opening up now. Some more gradually than others, but all are on the same page that we can't continue shutting down, and we have to find a way to safely open up.

It's being done. There is nothing left to complain about, unless it's a hardship for someone to wear a mask. We'll have to see how it goes, and hope for the best.

some are not open. or are so limited the economy is dead.
I have no idea how people are staying economically afloat. I get paychecks.
If I didn't i'd be up to my ass and more with credit card debt -then what?? I couldn't pay a month or 2 bills back

[archives]

Takes time there “DO,” some of these States have only been at a week and half, and today we see Texas climbing to new records

You are missing two thoughts, the first is that the States with less population density aren’t going to suddenly see astronomical numbers, it isn’t going to resemble NY, but rather gradual increases, and the health infrastructure as is in those areas can’t handle even a mild increase.

Second, no one is opposed to reopening the economy, Trump’s line that Democrats oppose reopening to defeat him in November is hogwash. The issue becomes safe reopening, we can’t beat the virus, but the hope is to contain it, opening in stages is the best approach, open, test and trace. When you don’t have the tools for the later, which most States don’t at this point, you are taking chances with other peoples health

I have a solution, all those people who show up to protest, those that flood bars in Wisconsin, beauty salons in Texas, should sign a pledge stating that if they get sick, if they catch the virus, they agree to be given a low priority status at the hospital behind everyone else.

[BartenderElite]

some are not open. or are so limited the economy is dead.
I have no idea how people are staying economically afloat. I get paychecks.
If I didn't i'd be up to my ass and more with credit card debt -then what?? I couldn't pay a month or 2 bills back

Opening, unfortnately, is not a cure-all economically. People are still going to be hesitant to frequent bars & restaurants, and things like that. I've heard restaurant owners say that this could be the end of the industry as we know it, which would suck. They just can't run at half or 3/4 capacity.

[anatta]

Takes time there “DO,” some of these States have only been at a week and half, and today we see Texas climbing to new records

You are missing two thoughts, the first is that the States with less population density aren’t going to suddenly see astronomical numbers, it isn’t going to resemble NY, but rather gradual increases, and the health infrastructure as is in those areas can’t handle even a mild increase.

Second, no one is opposed to reopening the economy, Trump’s line that Democrats oppose reopening to defeat him in November is hogwash. The issue becomes safe reopening, we can’t beat the virus, but the hope is to contain it, opening in stages is the best approach, open, test and trace. When you don’t have the tools for the later, which most States don’t at this point, you are taking chances with other peoples health

I have a solution, all those people who show up to protest, those that flood bars in Wisconsin, beauty salons in Texas, should sign a pledge stating that if they get sick, if they catch the virus, they agree to be given a low priority status at the hospital behind everyone else.

people are protesting because they are UP AGAINST THE WALL.
They aren't there for politics. Jobs are disappearing.. I heard some place at the rate of 10k a week. ( no source)
i,e, jobs that wont come back

You know how this works, the longer the quarantine the more permanent damage to the economy

38 million Americans out of work...we are beyond critical mass

[anatta]

Opening, unfortnately, it's a cure-all economically. People are still going to be hesitant to frequent bars & restaurants, and things like that. I've heard restaurant owners say that this could be the end of the industry as we know it, which would suck. They just can't run at half or 3/4 capacity.

yes. We are going to have permanent damage.
but give a business a chance to save itself;and people a chance to save their job.
That means even where COVID is still problematic

[Concart]

So, are the unemployment numbers plummeting? Is GDP going up? Since these states have been opened up long enough for 'really bad things to happen', I assume the opposite would be true. So can you show me the stats that indicate a huge uptick in economic activity? Didn't think so. It's a stupid OP. There is obviously going to be a delay in measuring the impact of these 're-openings. My suspicion is that we won't see a huge uptick in economic activity, but we will see an uptick in cases. The more economic activity, the more new cases. I think both impacts will be very muted, given that most of the country isn't going to the businesses that have re-opened.