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    same source as the numbers I provided you.......the difference must be that they know their maths and you don't.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    The alleged death toll isn't science.
    One doesn't need to look at anything other than the total death compared to the previous 3 years. it doesn't matter what the death certificates say. It only matters that the death certificates exist. In the last month the US has seen 13,000-17,000 more deaths per week than in the previous 3 years.

    If those 13,000+ deaths per week aren't from Coronavirus then tell us what else is causing them and show your evidence. Until you show us another possible cause Occam's razor applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    it doesn't matter what the death certificates say.
    Is that so?


    Blue York is classifying cases as coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative.

    Despite negative tests, classifications are based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often very similar to those of the seasonal flu.

    The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face.

    When coronavirus cases are “suspected,” they advise doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.”

    That isn’t just a theoretical issue.

    On April 21st, when Blue York Shitty’s death toll supposedly rose above 10,000, the failing Blue York Crimes admitted that the city included “3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive” – more than doubling the number of alleged deaths.



    https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/05/16/the-us-is-dramatically-overcounting-coronavirus-deaths-n2568925

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Nationally, 6% who contract the virus die.

    FYI, just as I indicated, we are now about 90,000 deaths. Over 100,000 by June 1.

    Good job, Orangetweet!
    Bullshit it's nowhere near 6% The data so far indicates that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be even lower than that. That's now but it is fully expected it will below 1% before too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Let the peer-reviewed medical experts figure it out and keep the fucking politicians out of it.
    That’s been a real struggle hasn’t it lol.

    One doesn’t need to be much of anything to see the inherent contradiction between a supposedly ‘extremely virulent virus’ when the same virus leaves so many ‘victims’ totally unaware they even had it and an average age of mortality that approaches the average life expectancy.

    By all means, let the peer reviewers do their thing on this. I would suggest accumulating as much serum antibody data they can get their hands on.

    Then, let the political chips fall where they may.
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    I saw a person on the tube who tracks deaths in America. We have a very good system for reporting deaths. The fact is we have had a 6 months climb in death rates. That is not politics , but numbers. Since the Trump pandemic, the death rate has been tracked higher and higher way above statistical anomaly.
    There is nothing rightys will not grab at to defend Trump. This one is a fail.

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    Covid deez nutz, bitch!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    I saw a person on the tube who tracks deaths in America.
    Is this him?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Bullshit it's nowhere near 6% The data so far indicates that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be even lower than that. That's now but it is fully expected it will below 1% before too long.
    91,061/1,531,737 = 6%

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Is this him?

    Is that what you watch? Which one of those characters seems most like a statistician who tracks deaths to you?

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    Over 86,500 people have reportedly died in the United States from the Coronavirus, and the fear generated by those deaths is driving the public policy debate.

    But that number is a dramatic overcount. Our metrics include deaths that have nothing to do with the virus.

    The problem is even worse as the Centers for Disease Control over counts even some of these cases and the government has created financial incentives for this misreporting.

    Relying on these flawed numbers is destroying businesses and jobs and costing lives.

    “The case definition is very simplistic,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, explains.

    “It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

    Medical examiners in Michigan use the same definition.

    In Macomb and Oakland Counties, where most of the deaths occurred, medical examiners classify any deaths as Coronavirus deaths when the postmortem test is positive.

    Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

    Still, these broad definitions are not due to a few rogue public health officials.

    The new rules direct them to do this.

    Unlike other countries, “if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” as Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, recently noted.

    "So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.

    There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death".

    Classifications go beyond even these broad categories.

    Blue York is classifying cases as coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative.

    Despite negative tests, classifications are based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often very similar to those of the seasonal flu.

    The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face.

    When coronavirus cases are “suspected,” they advise doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.”

    That isn’t just a theoretical issue.

    On April 21st, when Blue York Shitty’s death toll supposedly rose above 10,000, the failing Blue York Crimes admitted that the city included “3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive” – more than doubling the number of alleged deaths.



    https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/05/16/the-us-is-dramatically-overcounting-coronavirus-deaths-n2568925

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdberg View Post
    Is that what you watch? Which one of those characters seems most like a statistician who tracks deaths to you?
    Ask Gonzomin. He made the claim, not I.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    I saw a person on the tube who tracks deaths in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Is that so?


    Blue York is classifying cases as coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative.

    Despite negative tests, classifications are based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often very similar to those of the seasonal flu.

    The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face.

    When coronavirus cases are “suspected,” they advise doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.”

    That isn’t just a theoretical issue.

    On April 21st, when Blue York Shitty’s death toll supposedly rose above 10,000, the failing Blue York Crimes admitted that the city included “3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive” – more than doubling the number of alleged deaths.



    https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/05/16/the-us-is-dramatically-overcounting-coronavirus-deaths-n2568925
    I am talking just the death certificates and ignoring the listed cause. The total deaths are 13,000 - 17,000 more per week than the average from the previous 3 years without looking at any cause at all. What the doctor put down doesn't matter at this point. Give us a plausible explanation for all those extra deaths if you think it has nothing to do with Covid-19.

    What is causing all the extra deaths?

    Give us a simple and intelligent answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Is that so?


    Blue York is classifying cases as coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative.

    Despite negative tests, classifications are based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often very similar to those of the seasonal flu.

    The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face.

    When coronavirus cases are “suspected,” they advise doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.”

    That isn’t just a theoretical issue.

    On April 21st, when Blue York Shitty’s death toll supposedly rose above 10,000, the failing Blue York Crimes admitted that the city included “3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive” – more than doubling the number of alleged deaths.



    https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/05/16/the-us-is-dramatically-overcounting-coronavirus-deaths-n2568925
    So why was New York Cities death toll higher than average for 30 consecutive days? During that time the total deaths in New York City exceeded the average by 100% (for the math challenged that would be twice as many deaths in a thirty day period than the average). Can you explain the sudden uptick in deaths in NYC? I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Disagreed, but, yes, it's certainly has limited use.

    The bigger issue, IMO, is how the far Right, and to some extent the far Left, is trying to drive science with politics. How many here would agree that if it was a Democrat in the WH, the position of all the nutjobs on this forum would flip-flop?

    IMHO, the people to trust are those advocating actions or directions that would remain the same regardless of politics.
    No! I disagree about the shoe being on the other foot.

    Even during the Ebola Virus threat, which was 10x more deadly, two cases surfaced here in America- where the only American victims were an American doctor and nurse that caught the virus on the front line in Africa! And even though Obama, immediately put a Pandemic Crisis team together, sent our Military and best medical researchers and hundreds of medical staff employees to Africa to box the virus in, track the infected, and worked with the W.H.O. in supplying the Front Line with the appropriate PPE and medical supplies, THE REPUBLICANS WERE STILL CRITICIZING OBAMA SAYING HE WAS NOT DOING ENOUGH TO COMBAT THE CRISIS! Right-Wing extremist web sites and publications and most especially FOX NEWS lit up like a Christmas Tree to take unwarranted pot shots at Obama!

    Even though the virus was totally trapped within just a few weeks and never became a true pandemic anywhere in the world due to Obama's swift actions.

    The shoe has already been on the other foot and we already know how that went!
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