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    Default what we now know about the mortality rate......

    When analyzing the breakdown of deaths by age and condition [source], we can observe how, out of 15,230 confirmed deaths in New York City up to May 12, only 690 (4.5% of all deaths) occurred in patients under the age of 65 who did not have an underlying medical condition (or for which it is unknown whether they had or did not have an underlying condition).
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/


    overall mortality rate based on study of New York data......0.28%......4.5% of those were under the age of 65......
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    Those figures are disputed, BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/


    overall mortality rate based on study of New York data......0.28%......4.5% of those were under the age of 65......
    Let the peer-reviewed medical experts figure it out and keep the fucking politicians out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I give myself Dutch ovens View Post
    Let the peer-reviewed medical experts figure it out and keep the fucking politicians out of it.
    Peer-reviewed medical experts can be political, too, can't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/


    overall mortality rate based on study of New York data......0.28%......4.5% of those were under the age of 65......
    The population mortality is meaningless unless you can show that 100% of the population have been infected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    The population mortality is meaningless unless you can show that 100% of the population have been infected.
    Disagreed, but, yes, it's certainly has limited use.

    The bigger issue, IMO, is how the far Right, and to some extent the far Left, is trying to drive science with politics. How many here would agree that if it was a Democrat in the WH, the position of all the nutjobs on this forum would flip-flop?

    IMHO, the people to trust are those advocating actions or directions that would remain the same regardless of politics.
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    Numbers are numbers. Science is science. They don't change just because someone else is in office.

    If Trump didn't spend so much time trying to mobilize his base by undermining the actions he is taking he would probably have much higher approval. No one expects him to be perfect. No one could be. The problem he has he is creating himself by hiding things, telling lies, arguing with the press, and changing his mind from day to day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Those figures are disputed, BTW.
    so is the existence of God.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/


    overall mortality rate based on study of New York data......0.28%......4.5% of those were under the age of 65......
    Nationally, 6% who contract the virus die.

    FYI, just as I indicated, we are now about 90,000 deaths. Over 100,000 by June 1.

    Good job, Orangetweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/


    overall mortality rate based on study of New York data......0.28%......4.5% of those were under the age of 65......
    Did you just discover the demographics of Corona? Took you long enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Did you just discover the demographics of Corona? Took you long enough.
    I've never ignored the demographics of Corona.....I just ignore your lies about them......
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Nationally, 6% who contract the virus die.
    no.....you are lying about the data.....the NYC data showed that 1.4% of the people infected with Corana virus died......your numbers are based on your hopes and dreams instead of science......
    Infection Fatality Rate (23k / 1.7M = 1.4% IFR)
    Actual Cases with an outcome as of May 1 = estimated actual recovered (1,671,351) + estimated actual deaths (23,430) = 1,694,781.

    Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4% (1.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 have a fatal outcome, while 98.6% recover).
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    no.....you are lying about the data.....the NYC data showed that 1.4% of the people infected with Corana virus died......your numbers are based on your hopes and dreams instead of science......

    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/
    1.5 million actual cases in the ENTIRE country, moron. Not some CALCULATED rate.

    90,000 deaths. 1.5 million cases. 6%

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    New York - 358,000 cases. 23,000 deaths. 7.8%

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Numbers are numbers. Science is science.
    The alleged death toll isn't science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    “Basically, every death certificate that comes across our desk now has COVID on it,” said a funeral director in Williston Park, N.Y., on a recorded phone call with Project Veritas in a newly-released video.

    There are several more funeral directors with similar stories. You can hear the whole account below.





    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/04/30/nyc-funeral-directors-reveal-shocking-inflation-of-covid-19-deaths-n387013
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    LIBERALS LIE

    Medical experts agree the death count isn’t completely accurate.

    “I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition (COVID-19) on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus,” said Macomb County Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz. “Are they entirely accurate? No. Are people dying of it? Absolutely. Are people dying of other things and coronavirus is maybe getting credit? Yeah, probably.”

    Michigan doesn’t have a uniform process for testing individuals who die outside of hospitals and before they can be tested for the virus.

    In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide.

    Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from COVID-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for COVID-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a COVID-19 death.

    Similar cases of “death with coronavirus” have likely been included in the state’s count.


    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/medical-experts-say-michigans-coronavirus-death-count-isnt-accurate-but-is-it-too-high-or-too-low.html
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    In Ventura County, Calipornia, a 37-year-old who died of a drug overdose was counted in the county’s official coronavirus death toll.

    https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/04/28/man-who-odd-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus-listed-as-coronavirus-death/
    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.

    “Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Jensen said.

    Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.

    Dr. Jensen said, for example, if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn’t have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate.



    https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths#from_embed
    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    New York City started counting deaths as coronavirus fatalities if the patient had not been tested for the disease but was suspected postmortem of having it.

    This relaxed standard increased the U.S. death count by 17 percent.


    https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/493370-keeping-the-coronavirus-death-toll-in-perspective
    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    The New York Post explains how previously unreported deaths are now, suddenly being included in the city's death count, and the reasons deserve scrutiny: "More than 10,000 people have died of coronavirus in New York City, including over 3,700 cases where someone never made it to a hospital, the city’s Health Department announced Tuesday. The Big Apple’s new death toll is 10,367. That figure combines the 6,589 victims who tested positive for the virus plus another 3,778 who were never tested, but whose death certificates list the cause of death as “COVID-19 or an equivalent,” according to city Health Department data".


    https://townhall.com/columnists/larryoconnor/2020/04/15/new-york-death-count-spikes-after-govt-alters-methodology-n2566967
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    Last month, a 61-year-old Pennsylvania man who died from a head injury and tested positive for COVID-19 was added to the coronavirus death toll.

    “Lehigh County Coroner Eric Minnich confirmed the patient died Friday night at St. Luke’s University Hospital in Fountain Hill,” Lehigh Valley Live reported.

    “He said the primary cause of the man’s death was a head injury from a fall at home, but that the virus was listed as a contributing factor to his death.”

    Earlier this month, leading voice on the White House Coronavirus Task Force Dr. Deborah Birx explained that COVID-19 deaths in the United States have “very liberal” recording guidance.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/drug-overdose-head-trauma-deaths-added-to-coronavirus-death-toll

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    so is the existence of God.....
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post


    Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?

    It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been lying to us.

    That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

    We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

    Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated.

    The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

    "Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years. More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done, the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.

    This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

    "So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website".


    https://tinyurl.com/THE-HOAX-IS-UNRAVELING

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