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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Murder is not a right.

    Prisoners do bear arms. They make their own. Some of them are pretty nasty too. If the guards take them away, they just make new ones.

    You cannot take away the right of a man to defend himself, not even in prison.
    If you are convicted of murder, they take away many of your rights, they are no longer absolute. Thus, they were never absolute. The Right to bear arms is not absolute, neither is the right to free speech, you are an idiot if you think the government can guarantee any rights at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Irrelevant. They make weapons.

    Courts do not have the authority to change the Constitution. The right of self defense does not come from the Constitution or a court. It is inherent. No government can take it away.

    If they have committed a crime, they must stand trial for it. That takes them out of prison why they stand trial...and they will make new weapons. Isolation makes no difference.
    So the right is not absolute, because there are conditions whereby the Government can take those rights from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Can someone explain to me why the same people who don't need to wear a mask because God will look after them also need an AR-15 because God won't?
    why is I.d. for voting wrong, but we have to be mircochipped to go back to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So the right is not absolute, because there are conditions whereby the Government can take those rights from you.
    nah it's absolute, nazi gun grabber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    If the police come to your house with a duly authorized arrest warrant, you do not have the right to defend yourself by killing the police.
    In fact, I do.
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    They can also take away your property.
    I can also defend my property.
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    If the government is about to execute your family member, after a fair trial, you cannot just start killing prison guards.
    Yes you can.
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    None of these rights are absolute.
    They are absolute. No government can take away my right to defend myself, my property, or my loved ones.
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    You do not have an absolute right to kill people who want to take you into custody.
    In fact, I do.
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    This right to enforce laws is not just a right of the government,
    The government does not have the right to enforce laws, except by agreement of people like me.
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    but also a benefit to the people.
    Governments can be a benefit to the people, or they can become an enemy of the people.
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    If we give you an absolute right to kill anyone who tries to enforce the law,
    You do not have the power to give me any absolute right. They simply exist. When conflicting laws exist, which law?
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    we are taking away the right to live in a safe society from everyone else.
    You do not have the right to live in a 'safe society'. Define 'safe society'.
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    It really does not specifically recognize this right, nor would it.
    There is no right of a 'safe society'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Some prisoners make weapons, but that is a CRIME, not a RIGHT.
    It is a right, no matter what the government calls it. They can do nothing to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If you are convicted of murder, they take away many of your rights, they are no longer absolute.
    They are absolute.
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    Thus, they were never absolute.
    They are absolute.
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    The Right to bear arms is not absolute,
    It is absolute.
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    neither is the right to free speech,
    That is absolute.
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    you are an idiot if you think the government can guarantee any rights at all.
    These rights exist, whether there is a government or not. Governments are meant to protect these rights, while notoriously trying to removing them, even though they can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Only if you can explain to me how a lawyer cannot recognize somebody exercising one of their enumerated rights.
    nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Can someone explain to me why the same people who don't need to wear a mask because God will look after them also need an AR-15 because God won't?
    Ask a Jihadist ---they are the contemporary experts nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    They are absolute.

    They are absolute.

    It is absolute.

    That is absolute.

    These rights exist, whether there is a government or not. Governments are meant to protect these rights, while notoriously trying to removing them, even though they can't.
    Not absolute. Every one of them has been abridged.

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    The truth is people use religion to justify the wrong they do. There are overriding common beliefs, but on a personal level, you can make religion fit when you need it, The slave owners used Christianity to back slavery. The KKK prayed before killing and lynching blacks. They waved bibles in the faces of blacks matching for their rights, as they beat and killed them . The bible and religion have been so watered down by hypocrites that it is not Important any more. What did Christianity do when priests were molesting little boys. They covered it up. They paid off.
    Religion is a business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The truth is people use religion to justify the wrong they do. There are overriding common beliefs, but on a personal level, you can make religion fit when you need it, The slave owners used Christianity to back slavery. The KKK prayed before killing and lynching blacks. They waved bibles in the faces of blacks matching for their rights, as they beat and killed them . The bible and religion have been so watered down by hypocrites that it is not Important any more. What did Christianity do when priests were molesting little boys. They covered it up. They paid off.
    Religion is a business.

    Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise. They rape children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise. They rape children.
    It is no different from the others. Look at the repulsive evangelicals. They fly around in private jets and beg followers for their stimulus checks. Why do people follow religions? The priests and leaders know nothing more about the afterlife than they do. They pay to have them say what they want to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Not absolute. Every one of them has been abridged.
    Nope. They are absolute.

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