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    Werewolf 'Clear warning signs': Focus group shows lack of enthusiasm for Biden among the young


    First on NBC News: "Biden is unknown," concluded a new focus group of young people that found both opportunity and peril for the apparent Democratic nominee.


    WASHINGTON — Joe Biden is in no danger of losing young voters to President Donald Trump. But he faces a lack of enthusiasm among Millennials and Gen Z voters with the potential to decide his fate if they stay home or vote for a third-party candidate.

    Many of these voters preferred Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary and perceive Biden as a blank slate. They aren’t sure that he’s a change agent or that his policies match the scale of their problems. Some worry about his age and fitness. Most seem open to supporting Biden to stop Trump but need to hear more from him.

    That’s the conclusion of new focus groups that delve into the mindset of Millennial and Gen Z voters who self-identify as Democrats or independents in 11 battleground states. They were conducted in late and mid-April by the political consulting firm Global Strategy Group on behalf of NextGen America, a youth-focused progressive advocacy group.

    The good news for Biden is that many voters are persuaded by the argument that his views aren’t so far from those of Sanders, and by endorsements from leaders whom young people trust, including Sanders himself. Biden also benefits from the contrast with Trump, who is immensely unpopular among young Americans.

    “On the other hand, there are clear warning signs,” the firm wrote in a PowerPoint presentation on the findings. “For now, perceptions that Biden is too close to corporate interests or that he is dishonest often appear linked to more general perceptions of him as a ‘typical’ or ‘career politician,’ rather than someone who is particularly bad.”

    'Blank slate isn't going to cut it'

    Some voters brought up recent sexual assault allegations against Biden as a concern, while others cited his past ties to credit card companies. The focus groups found that Sanders-to-Trump crossovers are an “idiosyncratic and marginal group” — more prevalent are wait-and-see voters who aren’t committed to turning out and potential third-party defectors, an unusually large group in the 2016 election.

    Biden has sought to appeal to young voters by moving toward Sanders' platform on free public college and adopting bankruptcy overhauls pushed by Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. At virtual fundraisers recently, he called himself "a transition candidate" interested in elevating younger voices, and said he recognizes that "I have to make sure you know I’m listening" to avoid a 2016 repeat.

    His campaign responded on Thursday.

    "As President Obama has said, Joe Biden is running on the most progressive platforms in modern history and laid out bold ideas to tackle climate change, expand health care, and make college affordable," Biden spokesman Matt Hill said in an email. "Joe Biden knows that young Americans are a driving force of the progressive movement and will work hard to earn their votes, unite our country, and ensure we achieve the ultimate goal we all share: defeating Donald Trump."

    Young voters are economically anxious as the first two generations in U.S. history that risk being worse off than their parents, coming of age in the Great Recession and the coronavirus outbreak. They worry about basic economic security, high costs of education and health care, and climate change. They vote irregularly compared to older generations but their attitudes can make or break campaigns.

    For Biden, there is tension between his outreach to these young voters and his pitch to older, suburban and moderate Americans who aren’t looking for radical change but rather a safe alternative to Trump. He leads Trump in recent polls, but his low-key campaign isn't reaching many young people.

    “Blank slate isn’t going to cut it for young people. But that doesn’t mean he has to change who he is,” said Ben Wessel, the executive director of NextGen America, which commissioned the new study.

    Wessel said the apparent Democratic nominee and his team can appeal to young voters by pitching his candidacy as a vehicle for progress in contrast to Trump, by raising the scale of his ambitions on climate change or championing full marijuana legalization, and by continuing to present himself as a bridge to the next generation.
    Biden leads Trump in new polls

    He said Biden is “taking a lot of steps in the right direction” but must double down on his investment in young voters and “not assume this is going to be solved with a Bernie endorsement video.”

    The report analyzing the focus groups warned that Biden and his allies should not deny that he's a moderate or oversell his progressivism as that would "rapidly degrade credibility" with young voters.

    “They have incredibly high bulls--- detectors and they’re not willing to take crap from anyone,” Wessel said. “This idea that he’s secretly some dyed-in-the-wool Bernie stan feels like dumb pandering.”

    Biden’s other problem is his lack of presence in the online spaces where young people socialize and get their information, such as Instagram, YouTube and TikTok. Wessel said Biden doesn’t personally need millions of followers on these platforms and can make up the gap by appearing on the channels of celebrities who are trusted by young people, like Cardi B or Miley Cyrus.

    A Monmouth poll released Wednesday found Biden leading Trump by a comfortable 9 points while winning 56 percent of voters under 35. By contrast, Hillary Clinton won 55 percent of voters under 30 in 2016, and Obama won 60 percent of them in 2012.


    But the election is six months away and if the new focus groups are any indication, Biden is still ill-defined for many young voters.

    "Biden is unknown," the Global Strategy Group study concluded. "He became the nominee in the middle of the coronavirus crisis. Like many other voters, these ones are still getting to know Joe."
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Queue up Don Andrew, to be introduced at the convention and nominated 2nd ballot.
    Assuming hes not too busy cloroxing subways.
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    The young aint into Biden, no argument there I guess........

    What about the old folks?? If the yawns here are indicative of he average older dem voter, he's going to have more no shows than votes..

    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Southern Blacks picked Biden. So ... let's see if the 'Fuck Trump' crowd can elect Biden to bring us 'Back to the Future' (the 1970s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The young aint into Biden, no argument there I guess........
    same dynamic as with Hillary..

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    Millennials are dumb as a box of rocks..Biden is a neocon/neolib from way back.
    He wanted nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan. supported the surge etc.

    Bernie voters shouldvbe hip to that -but they are too stupid to do any research -
    despite the fact the internet is at their finger tips

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    Biden was a weak, senile, old candidate before the sexual assault debacle.

    His handlers are hiding him in his basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    [CENTER][B][FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=6][URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/clear-warning-signs-focus-group-shows-joe-biden-s-lack-n1201581?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma"]'Clear warning signs': Focus group shows lack of enthusiasm for Biden among the young
    How much did they pay the focus group to tell us what everyone already knew.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Millennials are dumb as a box of rocks..Biden is a neocon/neolib from way back.
    He wanted nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan. supported the surge etc.

    Bernie voters shouldvbe hip to that -but they are too stupid to do any research -
    despite the fact the internet is at their finger tips
    I don't think they are dumb by any stretch.. They goggle, & they come to different conclusions than we do, having different experiences etc..

    Hillary & trump are both about the same age & they weren't into her @ all, & biden is spotting them about 5 years.. Biden is like the Millennial's great grandfather for fux Sakes...

    I can't see dems just sitting around forever in a dark empty bandwagon waiting for someone to show up?? Can you??

















    As a side note: I am waiting for the day you reference the most powerful millennial on earth. Am I waiting in vain??

    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I don't think they are dumb by any stretch.. They goggle, & they come to different conclusions than we do, having different experiences etc..

    Hillary & trump are both about the same age & they weren't into her @ all, & biden is spotting them about 5 years.. Biden is like the Millennial's great grandfather for fux Sakes...

    I can't see dems just sitting around forever in a dark empty bandwagon waiting for someone to show up?? Can you??


    As a side note: I am waiting for the day you reference the most powerful millennial on earth. Am I waiting in vain??
    lol.."Biden is a blank slate" to millenials -he's been around forever- a little of that google could clue them in

    I'm more into the old Santana then Bob -but ya he's a great "millenial"

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    lol.."Biden is a blank slate" to millenials -he's been around forever- a little of that google could clue them in

    I'm more into the old Santana then Bob -but ya he's a great "millenial"
    Huh......lol

    Have you noticed no Dems defend him or post anything about him?? He is dead to them also..

    It is looking like the only thing his campaign is going to do is confirm the legitimacy of the trump presidency, kinda like w/ bush the lesser being reelected after voting cluster fuck in FLorida.... Pat Buchanan still brags about getting all those votes........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Huh......lol

    Have you noticed no Dems defend him or post anything about him?? He is dead to them also..

    It is looking like the only thing his campaign is going to do is confirm the legitimacy of the trump presidency, kinda like w/ bush the lesser being reelected after voting cluster fuck in FLorida.... Pat Buchanan still brags about getting all those votes........
    I would have agreed with you before the virus..now everything is up in the air.
    Hopefully voters will compare the 2 - Biden is so China-centric Retro

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    I would have agreed with you before the virus..now everything is up in the air.
    Hopefully voters will compare the 2 - Biden is so China-centric Retro
    I don't think that is a big issue w/ the general public.. I talk to ppl about it & get a blank stare..

    I have a neighbor that takes pride in her degree in history~ I asked here what she thought about BRI, she didn't know there was one. I asked her if she heard of the silk road, there was that blank look again, she said something about Marco Polo..... Didn't have the heart to force that conversation any further so it was one of those, well, a have a great day endings..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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