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    Default The Fuzzy Math Behind the Coronavirus Death Toll

    “Basically, every death certificate that comes across our desk now has COVID on it,” said a funeral director in Williston Park, N.Y., on a recorded phone call with Project Veritas in a newly-released video.

    There are several more funeral directors with similar stories. You can hear the whole account below.





    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/04/30/nyc-funeral-directors-reveal-shocking-inflation-of-covid-19-deaths-n387013

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    Default Medical experts say Michigan’s coronavirus death count isn’t accurate

    LIBERALS LIE

    Medical experts agree the death count isn’t completely accurate.

    “I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition (COVID-19) on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus,” said Macomb County Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz. “Are they entirely accurate? No. Are people dying of it? Absolutely. Are people dying of other things and coronavirus is maybe getting credit? Yeah, probably.”

    Michigan doesn’t have a uniform process for testing individuals who die outside of hospitals and before they can be tested for the virus.

    In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide.

    Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from COVID-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for COVID-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a COVID-19 death.

    Similar cases of “death with coronavirus” have likely been included in the state’s count.


    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/medical-experts-say-michigans-coronavirus-death-count-isnt-accurate-but-is-it-too-high-or-too-low.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    LIBERALS LIE

    Medical experts agree the death count isn’t completely accurate.

    “I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition (COVID-19) on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus,” said Macomb County Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz. “Are they entirely accurate? No. Are people dying of it? Absolutely. Are people dying of other things and coronavirus is maybe getting credit? Yeah, probably.”

    Michigan doesn’t have a uniform process for testing individuals who die outside of hospitals and before they can be tested for the virus.

    In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide.

    Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from COVID-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for COVID-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a COVID-19 death.

    Similar cases of “death with coronavirus” have likely been included in the state’s count.


    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/medical-experts-say-michigans-coronavirus-death-count-isnt-accurate-but-is-it-too-high-or-too-low.html
    Legion, what's your source of info??????????????

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    In Ventura County, Calipornia, a 37-year-old who died of a drug overdose was counted in the county’s official coronavirus death toll.

    https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/04/28/man-who-odd-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus-listed-as-coronavirus-death/

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    However the death numbers are certainly more useful than the confirmed cases numbers. The problem of bad data is massive, which is a horrible dangerous no good way to run a society. I blame the elites the most.
    The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.

    This is going to hurt.

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    Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.

    “Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Jensen said.

    Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.

    Dr. Jensen said, for example, if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn’t have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate.



    https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths#from_embed

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    New York City started counting deaths as coronavirus fatalities if the patient had not been tested for the disease but was suspected postmortem of having it.

    This relaxed standard increased the U.S. death count by 17 percent.


    https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/493370-keeping-the-coronavirus-death-toll-in-perspective

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    The New York Post explains how previously unreported deaths are now, suddenly being included in the city's death count, and the reasons deserve scrutiny: "More than 10,000 people have died of coronavirus in New York City, including over 3,700 cases where someone never made it to a hospital, the city’s Health Department announced Tuesday. The Big Apple’s new death toll is 10,367. That figure combines the 6,589 victims who tested positive for the virus plus another 3,778 who were never tested, but whose death certificates list the cause of death as “COVID-19 or an equivalent,” according to city Health Department data".


    https://townhall.com/columnists/larryoconnor/2020/04/15/new-york-death-count-spikes-after-govt-alters-methodology-n2566967

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.

    “Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Jensen said.

    Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.

    Dr. Jensen said, for example, if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn’t have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate.



    https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths#from_embed
    The failure of America to properly test carries consequences.

    News @ 11.
    The bottom line is that conservatives cant admit to themselves the Evil they have allowed to romp on their watch.

    This is going to hurt.

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    New York City added nearly 4,000 people who never tested positive for the coronavirus to its death toll Tuesday.

    The city decided to add 3,700 people to its death tolls, who they “presumed” to have died from the virus, according to a report from the New York Times.

    The Times stated: "Until now, only deaths where a person had tested positive were counted among those killed by the virus in New York".


    https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/nyc-numbers-coronavirus-death-toll/

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    Default Head Trauma Deaths Added To Coronavirus Death Toll

    Last month, a 61-year-old Pennsylvania man who died from a head injury and tested positive for COVID-19 was added to the coronavirus death toll.

    “Lehigh County Coroner Eric Minnich confirmed the patient died Friday night at St. Luke’s University Hospital in Fountain Hill,” Lehigh Valley Live reported.

    “He said the primary cause of the man’s death was a head injury from a fall at home, but that the virus was listed as a contributing factor to his death.”

    Earlier this month, leading voice on the White House Coronavirus Task Force Dr. Deborah Birx explained that COVID-19 deaths in the United States have “very liberal” recording guidance.












    https://www.dailywire.com/news/drug-overdose-head-trauma-deaths-added-to-coronavirus-death-toll

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    Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?

    It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been lying to us.

    That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

    We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

    Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated.

    The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

    "Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years. More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done, the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.

    This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

    "So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website".


    https://tinyurl.com/THE-HOAX-IS-UNRAVELING

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    The CDC has introduced a new ICD code, “to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates.”

    (Note: ICD stands for International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. It is a medical classification list maintained by the World Health Organization (WHO).)

    The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1.

    The CDC email says that the WHO has added a second code, U07.2, for instances “where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.”

    The problem with the new codes is that it may result in an inflated number of coronavirus deaths.

    Under the new Guidance, any death which COVID-19 “caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to” will be counted as a coronavirus death. “Other possibly relevant factors are considered secondary.” “Confirmed lab tests are not required.”

    Deaths in which the underlying cause may be heart disease, cancer, influenza or something else, will be included in the total number of coronavirus deaths.

















    https://www.efreenews.com/a/will-new-cdc-guidelines-inflate-the-number-of-deaths-attributed-to-the-coronavirus

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