What kind of "Christian values" do Conservatives want?

[Doc Dutch]

Communism is stateless and classless.

[video=youtube;dWNvlyycWzQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ

Isn't that what both Lenin and Mao claimed?

[StoneByStone]

Isn't that what both Lenin and Mao claimed?

Yeah, they were Fascists who hijacked the communist movements.
Look at what they needed to do in the Soviet Union. The Bolsheviks violently overthrew the government after the real Leftists voted on having a liberal democratic government.

[Doc Dutch]

Yeah, they were Fascists who hijacked the communist movements.
Look at what they needed to do in the Soviet Union. The Bolsheviks violently overthrew the government after the real Leftists voted on having a liberal democratic government.

That's what the commies always say when everything they promised turns bad.

[StoneByStone]

That's what the commies always say when everything they promised turns bad.

Sure, because Communism can't work on a large scale. But that doesn't change the fact that Stalin and Mao weren't Communists. Lenin might have been, since he did at least try to have collective ownership. Though he later undid that and the USSR became a typical right-wing state.

[IBDaMann]

You're mistaken on Net Neutrality being about the government. It's actually about limiting businesses. And the FCC can only censor broadcasts.

Let's unpack this.

I am spot on about Net Neutrality. It gives the GOVERNMENT the POWER to put businesses in thumbscrews in order to CONTROL the content expressed. I do not want the government having that power.

The FCC can only censor broadcasts ... so the government needs Net Neutrality in order to control expression on the internet and satellite radio as well.

Show me evidence that Mussolini, Franco, and Dollfuß were Socialists.

Dolfuss formed the Christian Socialist government in 1932. Franco disappointed the NAZIs by maintaining traditional socialism which he explained as wanting to aid Spain's poverty-stricken. Mussolini was a huge fan of Karl Marx and was a traditional socialist, becoming editor of the Italian Socialist Party's official newspaper/newsletter ... but while collaborating with Gentile became convinced of Gentile's approach and adopted the word "fascism" to denote the distinction.

Giovanni Gentile established fascism as a refinement of socialism. The only difference is in the appeal, or the "sales pitch" if you will. We have to use the word "fascism" because the word "Gentilism" is already taken by something else. Fascism is Gentile's brand of socialism, and it was amazingly popular because there was never any requirement for pretense of eventually stepping down. Gentile's socialism has the people rallying around a leader in a "cult of personality" as a father figure who unites them all as one family. We're still talking about socialism, just Gentile's socialism that we call "fascism."

No, Utopian Socialism was different from Anarchist Socialism and Marxist Socialism.

That's what I wrote. They are all socialism, they just define "Utopia" differently.

You denied that both White Nationalism and the Alt-Right exist because ...

I'm going to stop you right there. This is the same dishonesty from you for a third time. I haven't denied anyone exists. You continue to REFUSE to define them. You are throwing around empty buzzwords and you become totally dishonest when I simply ask you to define what you mean.

I'll ask again.

What defines a white nationalist if not a Caucasian patriot? I'm all ears. The floor is yours.
How do you refer to a "white" person who is nationalistic? I'm all ears. The floor is yours.
What defines someone who is "Alt-Right" in a substantive way that amounts to more than merely a slur? I'm all ears. The floor is yours.

I will be ignoring all claims that I am somehow denying existences until you satisfactorily answer the above.

The Alt-Right is a modern form of Fascism involving White Nationalism.

Great. So all we need at the moment is your definitions above that will give meaning to this statement.

I do find it funny that you claim you never denied they exist,

...because I never did. You just made that claim out of the blue. Then I stated that I never said that ... but you insisted that I did. We went back and forth on that point. At some point you have to let me be the authority on my position.

... but then you call it an empty buzzword being used as a slur.

Now you're being a total sleexiliff.

[Doc Dutch]

Sure, because Communism can't work on a large scale. But that doesn't change the fact that Stalin and Mao weren't Communists. Lenin might have been, since he did at least try to have collective ownership. Though he later undid that and the USSR became a typical right-wing state.

Thanks for the admission and agreed, it doesn't work on a large scale. "Large scale" being defined as larger than a tribe or village. Larger than that and it falls to the prey of human corruption.

[BattleofHodow]

Thanks for the admission and agreed, it doesn't work on a large scale. "Large scale" being defined as larger than a tribe or village. Larger than that and it falls to the prey of human corruption.

The only thing worse than State Capitalist Socialism s Libertarianism Laissez Faire Capitalism.

[StoneByStone]

Thanks for the admission and agreed, it doesn't work on a large scale. "Large scale" being defined as larger than a tribe or village. Larger than that and it falls to the prey of human corruption.

And that's why Communism as an ideology doesn't really exist in the West anymore. It's pretty much just a scare tactic at this point. Anything from having Saturdays off to having affordable healthcare is Communism. It's similar to how anything left-wing in the culture war is Cultural Marxism.

[StoneByStone]

Dolfuss formed the Christian Socialist government in 1932. Franco disappointed the NAZIs by maintaining traditional socialism which he explained as wanting to aid Spain's poverty-stricken. Mussolini was a huge fan of Karl Marx and was a traditional socialist, becoming editor of the Italian Socialist Party's official newspaper/newsletter ... but while collaborating with Gentile became convinced of Gentile's approach and adopted the word "fascism" to denote the distinction.

Dollfuß formed the "Christian Social" government. Not Socialist, but Social. I hope this was an honest mistake on your part, but I'm guessing it wasn't.
No, Franco never declared himself or Spain to be Socialist. I'm sure you can find some regulations to serve as "evidence" that Francoist Spain was Socialist, though.
Mussolini used to be Socialist, but later denounced Socialism and became a Fascist. Fascist Italy was never declared a Socialist state and the economy was Capitalist.

Giovanni Gentile established fascism as a refinement of socialism. The only difference is in the appeal, or the "sales pitch" if you will. We have to use the word "fascism" because the word "Gentilism" is already taken by something else. Fascism is Gentile's brand of socialism, and it was amazingly popular because there was never any requirement for pretense of eventually stepping down. Gentile's socialism has the people rallying around a leader in a "cult of personality" as a father figure who unites them all as one family. We're still talking about socialism, just Gentile's socialism that we call "fascism."

After the Right failed to keep Democracy out of France, they decided they could use Capitalism to maintain a strict hierarchy. That's basically what Gentile did with Socialism. The same way earlier Authoritarians created a right-wing version of Capitalism, Gentile created a right-wing version of Socialism. Later on, other Authoritarians created forms of Fascism that were more Capitalist in nature, such as Nazism, but the basic tenets were the same. A strict hierarchy with minimal civil rights. And it's the same kind of right-wing politics we're now having in America, Russia, Hungary, the Philippines, and so on.

You continue to REFUSE to define them. You are throwing around empty buzzwords and you become totally dishonest when I simply ask you to define what you mean.

Nice try, but I defined the Alt-Right in my last post. I said "The Alt-Right is a modern form of Fascism involving White Nationalism."

What defines a white nationalist if not a Caucasian patriot? I'm all ears. The floor is yours.
How do you refer to a "white" person who is nationalistic? I'm all ears. The floor is yours.
What defines someone who is "Alt-Right" in a substantive way that amounts to more than merely a slur? I'm all ears. The floor is yours.

A White Nationalist in someone who wants an ethnostate for white people. White Nationalists in America, such as Richard Spencer, David Duke, Jared Taylor, and such want to ban non-white immigration to America. I gave you a link to the Wikipedia article, but you pretended Wikipedia is controlled by Marxists because you want to deny that White Nationalism exists.
You mean Civic Nationalist as opposed to Ethnic Nationalist? I guess I'd use the word "patriot."
As I said, the Alt-Right is a new movement that combines Fascism and White Nationalism. Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch, but their own admission and politics, are part of the Alt-Right.

[Doc Dutch]

And that's why Communism as an ideology doesn't really exist in the West anymore. It's pretty much just a scare tactic at this point. Anything from having Saturdays off to having affordable healthcare is Communism. It's similar to how anything left-wing in the culture war is Cultural Marxism.

Agreed, just like Left Wing uses Nazis as a boogeyman. Anyone who really thinks either Communism or Nazism could take over the US is a fucking moron.