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Models: wrongOriginally Posted by PoliTalker
WHO: wrong
CDC: wrong
Trump: right that we had plenty of ventilators
Trump: right to shut down immigration from China
House Democrats and especially the House *intelligence* committee: wrongly chasing the Ukraine phantom in December and January while China was lying and the virus was spreading in this country
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Hello Darth,
This is mistaken from the outset.
I created a model of my own, using publicly available data, on May 1st.
It showed that we would have over a million Active Cases by May 10th.
That model turned out to be correct.
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Earl (05-11-2020)
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Don’t you mean a million positive tests lol?
Antibody studies *consistently* demonstrate that positive test case numbers are way less than the positive antibody numbers. IOW, the virus is a lot more prevalent in our population than positive test case numbers suggest.
This means two important things: one is that the COVID CFR is going to come in low—probably in the same neighborhood as the flu and perhaps even lower.
This also dovetails with the unusually high number of asymptomatic/mildly affected individuals who catch the virus. Moreover, that is confirmed in studies done by frontline workers [I’ve linked the study at least twice now] who claim the virus isn’t really killing that many people—it’s the immune response TO the virus that is causing some individuals to go critical and even die in some cases.
The Cytokine Storm is essentially the immune system attacking the body. So, severe COVID symptoms are actually symptoms of an immune system malfunction.
And they haven’t always been treated as such [I’m still not sure they are in all places] because the WHO/CDC guidelines excluded some common treatments in severe COVID patients. And this has certainly added to the total death count.
The second point is political: you have a strong presuppositional bias when it comes to Trump. IOW, you decide at the outset that Trump is guilty for all this, then you cherry pick your facts to support the supposition.
That is sloppy logic. And it’s why your so resistant to the idea the virus was almost certainly *established* in our population well before Trump or anyone else was going to significantly change the outcome.
It’s very likely further serum antibody studies will confirm exactly that.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
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History won't be kind to Trump on this.
The "downplaying campaign" in February hurt America in ways that we'll never be able to truly calculate. It's much more than "contained" and "15 down to zero." So much of that led to Fox, talk radio, twitter and the rest to take it a step or steps further, and so many Americans were convinced that this was nothing, or worse, a hoax.
And then there was the misinformation: hyping unproven drugs & treatments, over optimistic predictions for a vaccine timeframe, lysol.
Now, we find out that his admin buried detailed CDC advice. Combine that with taking funding away from WHO - for saying the SAME THING about China that Trump did in January - and Trump himself has set us so far behind the 8 ball on this whole thing.
It's a stunning failure of leadership. It's hard to imagine worse.
Earl (05-11-2020)
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Hello Darth,
I think you have more political bias than I do. All of the president's supporters do. Here's why. Pretty much the whole rest of the world is against DT. Only the few in the USA who support him, fool themselves into believing him. And this is very strange because he has been shown to lie so frequently. For an individual to ignore all the lies, that individual has to have some pretty strong political bias.
Antibody tests will almost certainly reveal much more spread of the disease than is currently confirmed. But the conclusion you are hoping to draw from that will be a view only shared by the president's supporters, for political reasons.
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Earl (05-11-2020)
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The source of the virus from China is China. They lied about the source and their number of fatalities. They would not share data with our health professionals that might have mitigated their virus from China. They nailed shut the doors of those with the virus from China They did not stop flights out of China and the virus from China spread around the world.
China must be held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of deaths and the economic loss around the world.
Count on the far left loon apologists to defend China and falsely blame it on our great president whose closure of flights from China saved countless lives.
The president is following the advice of the health professionals and the states are opening their economies following the guidelines.
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The conclusion will be determined by simple math lol.
Not that math has ever stood in the way of political agendas. You said it yourself: the virus has spread more than they assumed at the outset. Unless they cheat at math the mortality rate is going to come in low. Well, one way of doing it is to cheat at counting deaths.
It’s becoming clear that the COVID virus is fairly benign—it’s the way the immune system *in some people* reacts to the virus. The virus doesn’t target the heart or vascular system in critical patients—their own immune systems are doing that.
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Earl (05-11-2020)
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Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Darth Omar (05-11-2020)
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Hello Darth,
This conclusion?
No, the math won't show that DT could not have done a better job.
But nice try, anyway.
What it will show is the importance of taking more effective measures far sooner.
Since he didn't do that he takes the heat for dropping the ball and getting so many Americans killed.
He was warned at least a dozen times in intelligence briefings in January that this could be very bad. He ignore all of that. People died, he made the wrong choice and it cost lives. He is not wriggling out of that no matter how you try to spin it, or whatever hoops you make for yourself to jump through, we are not jumping through them. We see the facts.
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Sunday
5-10
USA
Total Cases 1,367,638
New Cases +20,329
Total Deaths 80,787
New Deaths +750
Total Recovered 256,336
Active Cases 1,030,515
Serious, Critical 16,514
Tot Cases/1M pop 4,132
Deaths/1M pop 244
Total Tests 9,444,525
Tests/1M pop 28,533
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Phantasmal (05-11-2020)
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"LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 6, 2020
On April 6th, a new daily deaths record was set at 1,505 deaths that day.
There has been a lot more death on 21 days over the last month since then:
April 14th, daily deaths: 2,566
April 15th, daily deaths: 2,631
April 16th, daily deaths: 2,193
April 17th, daily deaths: 2,543
April 18th, daily deaths: 1,883
April 19th, daily deaths: 1,570
April 20th, daily deaths: 1,952
April 21st, daily deaths: 2,683
April 22nd, daily deaths: 2,358
April 23rd, daily deaths: 2,340
April 24th, daily deaths: 1,957
April 25th, daily deaths: 2,065
April 28th, daily deaths: 2,470
April 29th, daily deaths: 2,390
April 30th, daily deaths: 2,201
May 1st, daily deaths: 1,897
May 2nd, daily deaths: 1,691
May 5th, daily deaths: 2,350
May 6th, daily deaths: 2,528
May 7th, daily deaths: 2,129
May 8th, daily deaths: 1,687
'Light at the end of the tunnel,' yeah right.
Another lie.
The numbers don't lie.
The president does.
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Monday
5-11
USA
Total Cases 1,385,834
New Cases +18,196
Total Deaths 81,795
New Deaths +1,008
Total Recovered 262,225
Active Cases 1,041,814
Serious, Critical 16,484
Tot Cases/1M pop 4,187
Deaths/1M pop 247
Total Tests 9,619,855
Tests/1M pop 29,063
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Check it out. We've had a few good days with reduced deaths.
Are we finally beginning to see 'light at the end of the tunnel?'
Over a month after the president claimed it?
Time will tell.
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The data is now showing a slowing in the rise of the number of Active Cases. We might be nearing a peak, but we have not reached it yet.
Let's take a fresh look at how fast Active Cases have been rising:
Date ... Active Cases ... Daily Rise
4-22 ... 717,008
4-23 ... 744,037 ... 27,029
4-24 ... 762,421 ... 18,384
4-25 ... 788,233 ... 25,812
4-26 ... 812,966 ... 24,733
4-27 ... 814,569 ... 1,603
4-28 ... 834,261 ... 19,692
4-29 ... 855,127 ... 20,866
4-30 ... 878,843 ... 23,716
5-1 .... 903,714 ... 24,871
5-2 .... 920,012 ... 16,298
5-3 .... 941,261 ... 21,249
5-4 ... 954,887 ... 13,626
5-5 ... 964,736 ... 9,849
5-6 ... 975,312 ... 10,576
5-7 .... 998,445 ... 23,133
5-8 .... 1,019,567 ... 21,122
5-9 .... 1,029,194 ... 9,627
5-10 ... 1,030,515 ... 1,321
5-11 ... 1,041,814 ... 11,299
One day, the third column will go negative. After we string together a week or more of negative figures in the third column, we will be able to say we have passed the peak.
but we are not there yet. Active Cases are still rising.
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So hospitals are off the hook and can go back to business?
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
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