Reply With QuotePoliTalker (09-25-2020)
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Total numbers are often Apples and Oranges, but rates, such as "Deaths per Million" is much more accurate.Originally Posted by PoliTalker
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
PoliTalker (09-25-2020)
Honoring my oath
Agreed. Trump is getting desperate and is now hinting he won't step down. Republicans in the Senate and House, especially those up for tight elections, will have to start distancing themselves from Trump if they don't want to go down with him.
FWIW, if Trump refuses to step down, it's entirely possible, and IMO likely, the 25th Amendment will be used against him. There is a lot of evidence it should be used now, but the Republicans don't want to screw themselves in an Election year by doing the right thing. They'll wait until it's a done deal to act.
Phantasmal (09-24-2020), PoliTalker (09-25-2020)
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Hello Dutch Uncle,
I've lost any hope of Republicans taking such a bold move.
Seeing them fawn all over him has had it's effect.
I have lost respect for Republicans.
They think Trump has made it OK to be a hypocrite.
No. It is not OK.
And I have to say, Democrat Dick Durbin is just as much of a hypocrite.
Here is Lisa DesJardins interviewing Dick Durbin on Wednesday:
Lisa Desjardins:
I hear you talking about a new precedent perhaps set by Republicans, but, in all this time about precedent, both sides pointing at each other, why not just say you don't want a nominee from the other party?
Sen. Richard Durbin:
Well, it isn't that, Lisa.
To be honest with you, I would like the other party to be consistent. What they're basically doing is saying, this is situational. If it doesn't help us, then we're not going to fill the vacancy. If it helps us, we will fill the vacancy.
Here is the full clip from PBS
She just played a clip of him in 2016 saying the Constitution is clear, the Senate has a responsibility to hold hearings and vote on the confirmation. And now he says the Senate should not do that, and tries to claim he just wants consistency out of Republicans?
Classic doubletalk.
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Another 45K new cases yesterday.
It doesn't seem to be 'miraculously going away.'
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Iolo/Penderyn (09-25-2020)
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Thursday
9-24
USA
Total Cases 7,185,471
New Cases +45,355
Total Deaths 207,538
New Deaths +942
Total Recovered 4,437,575
Active Cases 2,540,358
Serious, Critical 14,156
Tot Cases/1M pop 21,678
Deaths/1M pop 626
Total Tests 101,576,073
Tests/1M pop 306,453
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moon (09-25-2020), Phantasmal (09-25-2020)
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Agreed, to an extent, that the Republicans deserve to lose respect. You seem to think it's because they lack morals and are evil. I think it's because they are greedy and cowardly by virtue of the fact they only cater to Trump in order to keep their jobs. That said, if, or when, the situation changes so that they can save their jobs by turning on Trump, I think they will turn on him.
Notice how they are speaking out about accepting the election results and support the fairness of the election process.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...trump-comments
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Thursday morning that Republicans would accept any clear electoral result in November or a Supreme Court decision if the results were unclear.
Graham joined the ranks of Republicans promising a fair and peaceful election after comments made by President Trump at a press briefing Wednesday, where Trump refused to commit to leave office should Democratic presidential nominee win the election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54285869
What have Republicans said?
"The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th," Mr McConnell tweeted on Thursday. "There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792."
Other Republican lawmakers, including vocal Trump ally Senator Lindsey Graham, have similarly promised a safe and fair election.
"I can assure you it will be peaceful," Mr Graham told Fox News, but suggested a decision could go to the nation's top court. "If Republicans lose we will accept the result. If the Supreme Court rules in favour of Joe Biden, I will accept that result."
Senator Mitt Romney offered a more critical response on Wednesday, saying "any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable".
Phantasmal (09-25-2020), PoliTalker (09-25-2020)
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Hello Dutch Uncle,
I never said Republicans are evil. I don't use the word.
This says what I think:
" I think it's because they are greedy and cowardly by virtue of the fact they only cater to Trump in order to keep their jobs. "
I'll believe this when I see it:
"That said, if, or when, the situation changes so that they can save their jobs by turning on Trump, I think they will turn on him. "
I heard all those Republicans saying yesterday "oh yes there will be a peaceful transition of power if Biden wins." Well, that's pretty inconsistent with the positions they have been taking. I recall them saying if the evidence showed guilt that they would vote to convict, too. That turned out to be BS. Trump has a way of pulling their strings, getting them to fall in line. Why should saving Trump's butt after a lost election be any different?
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Apples and oranges. I'm betting it will be fine. If you disagree, my advice remains the same: Buy a gun, learn how to use it so you can defend our Constitution and Republic.
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Hello Dutch Uncle,
I am not taking any bets.
I shall patiently wait and observe.
Time will tell.
One thing is for certain:
The keyboard is mightier than the gun.
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Agreed on everything except fighting fascism and dictatorships with only a keyboard. Better to have both but only use the gun as a last resort.
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Hello Dutch Uncle,
Guns have their place - in the hands of well trained people, and used for good.
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Honoring my oath
Like the police? Trump's Federales? Those "well trained people, and used for good"? How did the DC protesters fair with their pink pussy hats and cardboard signs when Trump wanted a photo-op?
Why do you think dictators think they can walk all over an entire citizenry if they feel like it? What, in your opinion, would be the crossover point before you would support violent revolt? It's not an easy answer....and you can't win a revolt behind a keyboard. The idea of "I'll just get a gun" isn't an optimal answer because in that case, you won't last long. It's like saying you'll wait until you actually fall off the boat before learning how to swim. An educated and armed citizenry is the best deterrent against assholes like Donald J. Trump.
Words are great, but if a person wants to keep their freedom, they need to be prepared to fight for it. Even better if they support and work with their neighbors to do it together.
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Guns have killed hundreds of millions of people and wiped out many species of animals. How the fuck can they be called ' useful '
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
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Hello moon,
If it weren't for guns we would all be speaking German.
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Holy cripe.
Over 50K new cases yesterday.
It's comin back on.
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