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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No, the Governors have a legitimate concern, why are they competing against each other to obtain the necessary tools to fight the spread of the virus, where is the leadership of the Federal Gov't, who is taking control?
    cooperation is better than control....the problem is states like New York who think they need 30,000 ventilators TODAY and that Louisiana should wait to get the 100 they need until NY has 30,000 in a warehouse somewhere waiting to be used......
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    we are not a third world nation
    third world nations have a strong central government......usually one that skims 50% off the top of international aid and deposits it in a Cayman Islands bank account.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Not about limiting distances, it is about the lack of direction from the Administration, the absence of a coherent policy, leaving all States to basically fend for themselves, as they say, having to compete with each other to obtain necessary supplies.

    Every night Trump goes on TV and says what he is doing, but to date, it ain't reaching the State level, testing is still behind, resources are scare, and at the same time, Trump is saying he ain't appreciated

    Is no Federal direction, we are fighting a war minus the Commamder in Chief
    There are enough test kits to go around. They are in the hospitals. You are obviously not watching the daily news briefings from Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Amazing, obvious you don't get it, it is not about "required," it is what they should be doing, it is a national crisis, we need a national response, Federal Gov't should be running the show, running logistics, making sure hospitals have what they need, we are not a third world nation
    The federal government is not required to supply any hospital or clinic, other than veteran and military hospitals. The only national crisis is the fear mongering by the news media and the Democrats. Hospitals are responsible for obtaining their own supplies. Yes, they are available. If they need paper masks, they should go down to the drug store and buy them, if they have to. Yes, they are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The federal government is not required to supply any hospital or clinic, other than veteran and military hospitals. The only national crisis is the fear mongering by the news media and the Democrats. Hospitals are responsible for obtaining their own supplies. Yes, they are available. If they need paper masks, they should go down to the drug store and buy them, if they have to. Yes, they are there.
    Still don't get it, the "federal government is not required to supply," it is not a question of being required, the federal gov't isn't required to provide hurricane relief to areas devastated by hurricanes, but it does because of an obligation to all its citizens and often because it is the best entity to act.

    It is even not a question of supplying, just handling the logistics would be a good start, Governors bidding against each other to obtain supplies in ludicrous, the Federal Gov't needs to step in and show leadership

    And your prior post with "you are obviously not watching the daily news briefings from Trump" is an instant classic, now are those the same briefings where Trump said he was sending millions of test kits to the States that never got them, or where Trump said anyone who wants a test can get one, or where Trump now infamous proclaimed, "this is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Still don't get it, the "federal government is not required to supply," it is not a question of being required, the federal gov't isn't required to provide hurricane relief to areas devastated by hurricanes, but it does because of an obligation to all its citizens and often because it is the best entity to act.

    It is even not a question of supplying, just handling the logistics would be a good start, Governors bidding against each other to obtain supplies in ludicrous, the Federal Gov't needs to step in and show leadership

    And your prior post with "you are obviously not watching the daily news briefings from Trump" is an instant classic, now are those the same briefings where Trump said he was sending millions of test kits to the States that never got them, or where Trump said anyone who wants a test can get one, or where Trump now infamous proclaimed, "this is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner?"
    Are you for states rights or no? Or like a typical liberal, only when it is convenient for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Are you for states rights or no? Or like a typical liberal, only when it is convenient for you.
    It is not about states rights, although that is what Trump would like everyone to believe, it is about fighting the virus, or, as Trump said, the war against the virus, remember, he is a "war President," when was the last time a war leader let his subordinates fight over supplies needed to fight the war instead of showing leadership and directing resources to where they are needed the most?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is not about states rights, although that is what Trump would like everyone to believe, it is about fighting the virus, or, as Trump said, the war against the virus, remember, he is a "war President," when was the last time a war leader let his subordinates fight over supplies needed to fight the war instead of showing leadership and directing resources to where they are needed the most?
    No. It is about states rights. The Federal government is supporting the states, no demanding they do things. It is good the let the states see who they elected to represent them in times like these. I can assure you most governors will be replaced this next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    No. It is about states rights. The Federal government is supporting the states, no demanding they do things. It is good the let the states see who they elected to represent them in times like these. I can assure you most governors will be replaced this next election.
    How can Trump be supporting the States when the States are bidding against each other for necessary resources?

    And the majority of Governors fighting with Trump to do what a President is suppose to do are currently way up in any State polls taken, their citizens know they are fighting for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is not about states rights, although that is what Trump would like everyone to believe, it is about fighting the virus, or, as Trump said, the war against the virus, remember, he is a "war President," when was the last time a war leader let his subordinates fight over supplies needed to fight the war instead of showing leadership and directing resources to where they are needed the most?
    Trump is not here to lead.

    Celebrity Apprentice of Federal Felons
    From Watergate to Iran Contra to the Iraq war to the 2008 financial collapse, this administration has reunited the criminal vampires who are sucking the life out of this nation.

    Trump, a life-long mobster and aspiring autocrat, is trying to shake down individual states and deny medical workers and their patients life-saving equipment. While he is more overtly sadistic to so-called “blue” states, Trump is also endangering residents of so-called “red” states...

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Still don't get it, the "federal government is not required to supply," it is not a question of being required,
    Yes it is. You are demanding that it is required of the federal government. It isn't.
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    the federal gov't isn't required to provide hurricane relief to areas devastated by hurricanes,
    Correct.
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    but it does because of an obligation to all its citizens and often because it is the best entity to act.
    Obligation is a requirement, dude. FEMA does not stop hurricanes nor do anything but distribute money for the States.
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    It is even not a question of supplying,
    Lie. You made it a question of supplying.
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    just handling the logistics would be a good start,
    That's supplying.
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    Governors bidding against each other to obtain supplies in ludicrous,
    Governors are not required to supply hospitals either. They do not have to bid on anything.
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    the Federal Gov't needs to step in and show leadership
    They already are.
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    And your prior post with "you are obviously not watching the daily news briefings from Trump" is an instant classic, now are those the same briefings where Trump said he was sending millions of test kits to the States that never got them,
    He never said millions of test kits, and the States did get them.
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    or where Trump said anyone who wants a test can get one,
    He never said that either.
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    or where Trump now infamous proclaimed, "this is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu";
    It is a flu. Covid-19 is a flu. It a variant of SARS, another flu.
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    "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for.
    We do have shots for treating it.
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    And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner?"
    We already have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is not about states rights,
    Yes it is.
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    although that is what Trump would like everyone to believe,
    Irrelevant. The United States is organized as a federated republic. States have rights, and NO government has authority beyond it's constitution.
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    it is about fighting the virus,
    We are fighting the virus.
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    remember, he is a "war President,"
    So?
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    when was the last time a war leader let his subordinates fight over supplies needed to fight the war instead of showing leadership and directing resources to where they are needed the most?
    Governors are not required to supply hospitals. Neither is the federal government, beyond military and veteran hospitals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    How can Trump be supporting the States when the States are bidding against each other for necessary resources?
    They aren't.
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    And the majority of Governors fighting with Trump
    The usually do.
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    to do what a President is suppose to do
    The President and the federal government is not required to supply hospitals, other than veteran and military hospitals.
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    are currently way up in any State polls taken,
    Argument from randU fallacy. You are making stuff now. News polls mean NOTHING.
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    their citizens know they are fighting for them
    Speculation. My governor is not fighting for me. Many people around the State of Washington are saying the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Trump is not here to lead.

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    Trump is endangering no one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    How can Trump be supporting the States when the States are bidding against each other for necessary resources?

    And the majority of Governors fighting with Trump to do what a President is suppose to do are currently way up in any State polls taken, their citizens know they are fighting for them
    Seriously? Are you watching what is going on here in the country? Or just relying on left wing tweets. I am sure you and the nitwit that thanked you rely on tweets.

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