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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Wow, talk about pot kettle black...

    He is the most serious, curious and courteous poster at JPP by a country mile. I certainly don't have the patience
    he has with idiots like you that he does.
    And you are second biggest idiot on JPP. I guess you think he is courteous because he offers idiots like you professional courtesy.

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    Hello dukkha,

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    your narrative is a bunch of crap as usual.. all the complaints is about testing -not his performance.
    I am not surprised you disagree with my views.

    The CDC, for some unexplained reason, at first refused to use the WHO testing protocols and tried to go it on their own. That failed and valuable time was lost.

    "The World Health Organization had published a working version of a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction test — commonly known as a PCR test — which uses snippets of genetic material to diagnose a virus. Tests based on the WHO data were already in widespread use in China. In South Korea, the government drug ministry was corralling biotech companies, telling them to begin working on tests based on the same data.

    Pinsky also relied on the WHO protocols as he developed a PCR test. By early February, he had a test that he thought would work. And then he, and Stanford, waited, for weeks. That was all they could do until the federal government gave them the go-ahead to begin using it to diagnose the disease in patients.

    For all its scientific know-how, the U.S has lagged behind in testing thanks to a combination of government hubris, incompetence and bureaucratic rigidity. Even now, there aren’t nearly enough tests being performed. According to the Covid Tracking Project, fewer than 500,000 tests have been done nationwide in March. It’s not even close to being enough.

    If you want to understand why, Pinsky’s effort is as good a place as any to start. A scientist in a lab sees what is happening in China and takes it upon himself to develop a test — just in case. He adapts the WHO protocols to the specifics of his lab and the materials available to him (every lab is different, after all) and his test is ready to go in a matter of weeks.

    With much less urgency, the federal government also begins working on a PCR test. But unlike Pinsky — not to mention most of the rest of the world — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decides not to follow the WHO’s protocols. Nobody knows why. Instead, the CDC develops its own test, which all the nation’s labs will then have to replicate. But when it sends out 200 test kits to 100 labs in February, many of them don’t work. The CDC then promises to quickly come up with new tests, but one day stretches into three and then 10. Finally, in late February, the agency essentially throws up its hands and loosens its restrictions on clinical labs to develop their own tests. Alas, by then it is way too late. "

    "“For the entire month of February, the only place you could get a test was from the CDC,” he told me. “The U.S. and South Korea both had their first diagnosis on the same day. For the entire month of February, the U.S. conducted 472 tests. South Korea conducted 70,000. They were doing thousands every day, while the U.S. was doing zero.” The clear reason is that the South Korean government was proactive from day 1, while the Trump administration sat on its hands.""

    Why the U.S. Still Can’t Do Enough Coronavirus Testing - The country continues to suffer from a combination of government hubris, incompetence and bureaucratic rigidity.


    The director of the CDC is appointed by the president, answers to the president, and may be fired at any time by the president.

    The director of the CDC serves at the pleasure of the president.

    The president is ultimately responsible for what the CDC does.

    The CDC dropped the ball. It is a failure of the president.
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    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    A slight disagreement. Most Republicans are not in denial of Trump's poor performance, they just don't talk about it because the alternative is the Democrat Dementia candidate; Joe Biden. I like Joe, he's a nice guy, but I don't want him to be President. FWIW, I don't want Trump to be President either, but he is. The RWNJs on this forum are an except to a normal, sane Republican. The RWNJs on this forum either young Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists or they are old farts stuffed into a room with their walker and a computer. They're so old even a bucket of Viagra wouldn't help them get a woody so they take their anger about life out on this forum. Regardless, they're idiots and should largely be ignored except for entertainment purposes.

    Yes, to be fair, there are LW Loonies too, but they are fewer in number and most are as hateful.
    I wish we had better choices but at some point America will have to decide. Once again it is shaping up to be another pinch-your-nose election. I never thought I would support Biden for prez, but that is exactly the position I find myself in, because the alternative is worse. (Bernie's campaign is essentially over.)
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    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Why worry? Trump is almost assured of reelection in November. The only thing that would cause him to lose is if he's wrong about Easter and there are over 37,000 Americans dead of COVID-19 by Election Day.

    Why specifically 37,000?
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    USA 105,726 1,600 Dead

    Italy 86,498 9,134 Dead


    Our healthcare saves lives, theirs kills!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    No need to get angry. Most Americans knew Trump is 90% bullshit whenever he speaks. It's a given. It's what the experts say that really matters. This includes VP Pence, who has been more Presidential in the past few months than Trump has in his entire 3 years.
    I like Pence. Trump is Trump, sometimes good sometimes bad. But you TDS folks will disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    I like Pence. Trump is Trump, sometimes good sometimes bad. But you TDS folks will disagree.
    Agreed on Pence and that "Trump is Trump". Mostly bad, sometimes good.

    I'm not a Trump Dick Sucker nor one of Trump's Deranged Sycophants. You TDS folks will disagree.

    Will US COVID-19 deaths be less than or more than the maximum projected flu deaths by Election Day? Vote HERE

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    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHCHS) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by Democrats that the Trump administration left the country vulnerable to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...-found-in-2019
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Why specifically 37,000?
    That's the number the Trumpeteers keep quoting as the annual number of Flu deaths. Trump said COVID-19 is not as bad as the flu. Once there are more COVID deaths than flu deaths, he's proved both wrong and a liar....again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volsrock View Post
    USA 105,726 1,600 Dead

    Italy 86,498 9,134 Dead


    Our healthcare saves lives, theirs kills!
    Poor idiot.
    ProSemitism is racist.

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    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That's the number the Trumpeteers keep quoting as the annual number of Flu deaths. Trump said COVID-19 is not as bad as the flu. Once there are more COVID deaths than flu deaths, he's proved both wrong and a liar....again.
    I don't think there is much doubt the death toll will far exceed that number. It appears the total will be 100's of thousands, hopefully not over a million but that is entirely possible. Or it could end up being several million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Dutch Uncle,



    I don't think there is much doubt the death toll will far exceed that number. It appears the total will be 100's of thousands, hopefully not over a million but that is entirely possible. Or it could end up being several million.
    1% of the entire 327M population is 3.27M. If a third, 100M, are infected then that's a 1M dead Americans by Election Day. That's given Trump gets his way about Easter and there is no cure or vaccine over the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    1% of the entire 327M population is 3.27M. If a third, 100M, are infected then that's a 1M dead Americans by Election Day. That's given Trump gets his way about Easter and there is no cure or vaccine over the summer.
    Walt, shut the fuck up!!
    .

    80,000 Americans died and 900,000 were hospitalised just two years ago from flu including the most virulent Type A version of H3N2, so why didn't you arseholes call for the total destruction of the world's economic system then? I hope you have plenty of time to ponder over that when you all lose your houses, jobs and relationships!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

    February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

    February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
    February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
    February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    Feb 28: CDC says no question of if, only when. It's coming.

    February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.

    March 27: USA becomes world leader in number of Covid-19 cases.
    Strange is it not....regardless of all the left wing "NOISE".....Trump's numbers just keep climbing...…... That must be frustrating....wasting all that propaganda on another failed event to take out Trump. I'd wager that you are in favor of the latest left wing wish...…..VOTING VIA MAIL (unsecured....way to steal another election). Trump and Trump's supporters know the playbook...….Trump is keeping his base well informed in spite of the media attempting to block his communications with his base. Before the crisis the press was bitching about Trump not having enough press conferences.....now they refuse to even cover a daily briefing on the crisis. Look for Trump to begin using the Emergency Broadcasting System to talk directly to the people.

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