Stretch (03-26-2020)
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Stretch (03-26-2020)
Maybe we should call it Coronavirus Award. Like Darwin's Award.
BLUEXITA Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red
Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.
It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.
This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america
For the ones that die, we surely could. Though, your hopefulness aside, their death is unlikely, as is their desire to infect others without their consent. Folks who do this kind of thing (think of chicken pox "parties" that some parents in the past would do) aren't trying to get anybody else sick, they're just trying to gain that immunity. I understand the reasoning behind the motivation, even if I think it is foolish.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Stretch (03-26-2020)
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
That was rhetorical and you know it. I could have just as easily substituted "you" for "me." Maybe I should have since you seem confused.
Again, hyperbole and rhetoric as the point flies right on by. I wasn't discussing you staying at home. I was discussing your opinion that the current state of affairs -- stay-at-home orders and the closing of non-essential businesses -- is more damaging to the economy than are the deaths of untold-as-yet numbers of citizens.Right. (rolls eyes)... Me staying at home is the same as a "robber baron" and means that death means nothing to me... It especially means that if I refuse to believe the nefarious motivation you assign to others based on nothing other than your hopeful projection of their existence "without morality".
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
BLUEXITA Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red
Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.
It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.
This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america
we will not let you nwo people shut down the world over this shit.
Damocles (03-25-2020)
Yeah... "not even a little of what I said suggested".. blah, blah. Then, suddenly you realize... then equally suddenly it was "rhetorical" and I somehow "knew it" by the 'tone' of your text apparently...
I see the pattern: Say something mildly objectionable, get a return mildly sarcastic answer, then say "hyperbole" and pretend it makes it better... I get you.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
You see something but it's not a "pattern". Let's start over. I originally responded to you in Post #21. Here it is. Tell me where, exactly, I stated that the COVID party kids in a state hundreds of miles away were out to get me personally:
If someone wants to invite his COVID-positive buddy over to cough on him so he gets an immunity, fine. Should either of them then be allowed to wander about their town spreading it as they go to work and to hang out with friends? Or should they stay at home till well again? I am going with stay at home and keep your bugs to yourself, for the sake of everyone else.
You seem to think that the economy overrides the public health and safety of their community. As you said before you got all personal, in Post #25: "I think we are paying too high of a price for minimal safety, ..."
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
I "seem to think" that my "buddy" (not mine, I called them fools but okay, my "buddy") who gets sick isn't going out to "get" you (royal you, not personal you), even though you're (again royal you, not personal you) scared. Though I did talk about criminality in that case... hmm. Maybe I don't think that would be "okay" or that they "get to" do that without repercussion.... It's possible I don't think they do... Maybe... sorta... evidenced by my actual responses... possibly...
I also seem to think that the longer term economic impact is important and that we should weigh the cost, as it could be more dangerous than the cure. However, I say "may" and "could", then follow the social distancing recommendations, not because I know that bad stuff is going to happen, but because I am a responsible human being.
Now you tell me that those people are going to go out and "get" people because you think poorly of folks that do things differently than you, not because you have any evidence of it, and you seem to think that any cost is worth it even if it means the poorest among us cannot afford simple necessities and are at risk regardless of their relative safety from the virus... I just don't. You won't convince me that any cost is "worth it" here or at any other time, cost benefit analysis is something we, as the government, should do....
Now, as a person that grew up wondering at times where my next meal may be from I know that the government isn't going to be quick enough, nor will it really care. As an entity government projects even less empathy//sympathy than other privately owned entities that rely on customers.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
A lot of ppl feel that way. I'm married to one of them. Eventually we will have to open things back up, and it won't be pretty. There will be fallout. There will be far more deaths.
Show me where I said that in my fictional story about kids in my town having a COVID party, that I said that they were "out to get" anyone. I did not say that, did I? You are making false assumptions. I merely asked whether you thought it would be okay to expose yourself deliberately, then go about your business -- possibly spreading disease to others -- rather than self-quarantining. You have yet to respond to *that*.Now you tell me that those people are going to go out and "get" people because you think poorly of folks that do things differently than you,blah blah blah
So do you think it's okay to deliberately expose yourself to an illness in the hope of getting immunity, but not taking precautions to keep from spreading it to others? Isn't that you making a health decision for others that maybe they didn't want? As I said before, if they want to get sick fine -- just stay home then and don't share it with those of us who do not want it. That's no different than someone choosing to smoke. It's his lungs and his health. But he has no right to stand by the door and puff it in your face as you pass by, does he?
No, the government's role should be to assist us in handling our own health and safety, not to be Daddy and Mommy. And that's what they are doing, slow and inept as it seems they are at times. They also have a duty to protect citizens against morons like the "Let's have a party and all get COVID" types; hence the mandated social distancing in many regions.Now, as a person that grew up wondering at times where my next meal may be from I know that the government isn't going to be quick enough, nor will it really care. As an entity government projects even less empathy//sympathy than other privately owned entities that rely on customers.
BTW, you are not the only one who has wondered about your next meal.
Have a good day, and stay well.
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
I was thinking that, too. I remember mostly it was chicken pox. It made sense to get it over with while young and then
have that immunity. I wasn't so lucky. I first got it when I was 43...still came through just fine, but the ordeal was a little rougher.
So, the doctors say that once you get Covid virus, it's another natural inoculation against it for the future.
Last edited by Stretch; 03-26-2020 at 10:01 AM.
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
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