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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    Low in comparison to the fatality rate of previous flu seasons in this time frame. I'm not diminishing death or it's effects of surviving family and friends...I'm pointing to the fact that this virus (while nothing to ignore) is NOT the bubonic plague of the 21st century.
    It is quite serious for those threatened, and allows a fair prospect for our masters of establishing a police state. Dealing with it seriously, and fast, is really the only hope, and that posturing senile bully of yours is doing nothing useful whatever.
    1. We are all "threatened" by this highly contagious new disease to one degree or another....my thing is that it is NOT the 'Andromeda Strain' as our officials art touting (directly and indirectly), which is prompting hysterical reactions (i.e., run on super markets & drug stores). Careful examination of WHO and CDC records in recent years shows annual influenza is more deadly...yet the past response was nowhere near as frantic as this one.

    2. You refer to the conspiracy theory that the US gov't (under conservative rule, by the way) is going to us this crisis to invoke a police state. I find that interesting, since the people purporting this were dead silent when official "protest zones" were established during recent GOP conventions, or the way the "Occupy Wall St." folk were shut down, or when the conservative majority of the SCOTUS ruled that corporations are "people" and money is considered free speech. Nope, not a peep as these seeds of dictatorship and oligarchy were being sown. So forgive me if I put NO credence in this current mantra.

    3. Dump and company dithered for about 6 weeks before taking serious action. Again, I'm all for caution and preventative measures....not the hap hazard, near panic inducing guff we've been witnessing.

    4. Which "senile bully" do you refer to? Remember, Dump and the Dem candidates for the upcoming election (and the Congressional leadership of both sides) are all senior citizens who have had questionable actions recently.
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    BTW, I hope everyone who isn't adjudicated mentally ill has registered to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    then what am I "coming around" to in your opinion, in relation to the OP?
    That this hysteria is overblown.
    I've never posted anything to the contrary. Copy and paste or link the post where I did such. If you can't, then you're making a false accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    We are early on in this pandemic. The R naught of this virus is 1.8 to 2.2 and the death rate is around 1%, The flu's R naught is 1.0-1.3 and the death rate is 0.1%. If we do nothing this virus will infect about 50% more and kill about 10 times more of the people that get ill. We have 40 - 70 million people catch the flu each year. And we have antivirals and vaccines that will treat the flu. We could have 60-100 million or more people catch COVID19 if we do nothing. Currently we have no approved treatment for the COVID 19 virus. Italy's death rate is 7.2% and the US death rate is about 1%. Why the HUGE difference? Italy's medical system has been overwhelmed more than 45 doctors and nurses have died fighting the disease. Italy's population is 1/5 that of the US if we convert that to the US population size. We could expect 250 doctor's and nurses in the US to die if our health care system get overwhelmed like Italy's did. You can directly attribute our lower death rate so far to the efforts of our government to combat the spread and to the heroic efforts of our medical community to fight this virus. THIS ISN'T OVER YET FOR ITALY OR FOR THE US. Do what you can to inhibit the spread of COVID 19 the life you save may be your own.
    All you've done is throw out a lot of "would be, could be, might be". The fact is you have had recent influenza's that have had a significantly higher mortality rate in the same time frame....yet there was no near hysteria reaction...just prudent concern and actions. Here's a more objective view https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html

    See, when all these folk were dropping dead during annual flus, you didn't have the near hysterical reaction from our gov't and health officials. Mind you, prudent prevention and treatments have and are being taken....but we could all do without the flurry of contradictory statements from the aforementioned officials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    You kidding?
    You failed to cite any alleged "mis-information, contradictions and down right fabrications" via "live feed and video play back".
    Go back, clik on the link provided, read carefully and comprehensively, occasionally clicking on the underlined passages in the article, which document what I put for previously

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...37#post3561937
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    I've heard this conspiracy....release a mild bio-weapon to gain control of the economy, thin the population and control the rest.

    Years ago it was to instigate civil war. Whatever.
    Same here. Remember Jade Helm? Lots of conspiracy theorists slinging hash. Most are RWed, but the Left has their fair share of nutjobs slinging conspiracy theories.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post

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    Sorry to inform you, but the following isn't opinion:

    All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus
    An unfinished compendium of Trump’s overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency
    Christian Paz
    March 24, 2020

    On the Nature of the Virus
    When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
    The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
    The truth: It’s too early to tell if the virus’s spread will be dampened by warmer conditions. Respiratory viruses can be seasonal, but the World Health Organization says that the new coronavirus “can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather.”

    When: Thursday, February 27
    The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
    The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.”


    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/608647/

    Now you can deny the quotes, but not the actual video recordings: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-advertisement


    Ignorant people like you are making it harder for the President to slow this virus.
    Obviously, you cannot refute or deny the evidence. But rather than concede the point, you switch to an empty accusation. Typical blind allegiance to current conservative mentality regarding Dump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    You kidding? Here's just one example:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/608647/


    The Atlantic? Fact checking? Did you even read this bullshit? Tell me something; how were any of those lies? Good lord; you are an idiot.

    You consistently pull out this lame ploy every time you can't logically or factually refute or deny evidence that disproves your contentions and statements. You make a lot of generalized accusations yet you can't produce ONE item from the link I provided and logically/factually disprove it. In short, you just blow smoke and insults...which is NOT a rational countermand to what someone puts forth. I asked for a real, rational debate...if you're unwilling or unable to do so, don't waste time and space posting, as I'll just dump you back in the IA bin.

    Note: You may want to click on the underlined passages in the article, as they link to verification of it's content....if have the intellectual honesty and courage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Go back, clik on the link provided, read carefully and comprehensively, occasionally clicking on the underlined passages in the article, which document what I put for previously
    You failed to cite any alleged "mis-information, contradictions and down right fabrications" via "live feed and video play back".

    Quote Originally Posted by StonebyStone View Post
    I know trolls don't like hearing this, but if you make the claim, it's up to you to prove it.
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    You made the claim, cunt. Cue Jeopardy theme...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    I've never posted anything to the contrary. Copy and paste or link the post where I did such. If you can't, then you're making a false accusation.
    Why don't you take yes for an answer and stop being a douche.
    Keep changing the names. It doesn't change the meaning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    I'll just dump you back in the IA bin.
    Go ahead, coward. You are intellectually lazy, worthless, and a weak debater.

    If you died tonight the world would be a better place tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    Sorry to inform you, but the following isn't opinion:

    [B]All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus

    The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”

    How is this a lie? It's a claim many experts have made.


    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
    How is that a lie? Are you trying to say that this virus wont disappear like all the others?

    How is that a lie? Are you trying to say that this virus wont disappear like all the others?

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    Now you can deny the quotes, but not the actual video recordings:
    I don't dispute the comments; I am laughing at the moronic assertion that these are lies. The idiot who wrote this article is the one lying.
    1. you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills, as you obviously missed this: The truth: It’s too early to tell if the virus’s spread will be dampened by warmer conditions. Respiratory viruses can be seasonal, but the World Health Organization says that the new coronavirus “can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather.” If you go back to the article and click on the underlined words you get valid documentation that shows Dump is (once again) shooting off his mouth without accurate information like it's fact.

    2. Again, what you ignore: The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.” Follow instructions from #1.

    3. If one makes statements that are untrue, but puts them forth like they are, then they are lying. I don't know why you don't understand this, as it's taught in grade school. Remember Obama's "keep your doctor" thing? Folk like you wailed that he was a liar when the actual implementation did not guarantee this for all as he said. Now Obama PUBLICALLY ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG, and spoke at length as to why and how to correct his error. To date, I've yet to hear Dump cop to being wrong on anything... even when there's audio, video and print that shows he is...that makes him a liar when he doubles down.
    Last edited by Taichiliberal; 03-28-2020 at 06:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    I've never posted anything to the contrary. Copy and paste or link the post where I did such. If you can't, then you're making a false accusation.

    Why don't you take yes for an answer and stop being a douche.
    You make an accusation that you cannot back up with evidence. that makes you a liar. I gave you a chance for a rational debate, but it seems you're incapable of this, so back into the IA bin with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    You failed to cite any alleged "mis-information, contradictions and down right fabrications" via "live feed and video play back".
    Either you have deplorable reading comprehension skills, did not read the article, or are just being insipidly stubborn to conceding a point. The article also provides links to the underlined portions to document and verify it's content. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/608647/

    Clearly, you are not interested in an honest, rational debate. So it's back to the IA bin with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post



    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    I'll just dump you back in the IA bin.

    Go ahead, coward. You are intellectually lazy, worthless, and a weak debater.

    If you died tonight the world would be a better place tomorrow.
    As the reader can clearly see, Legion is either unwilling or unable to carry on an intellectually honest and rational debate when it comes to his political and social beliefs....especially when he's faced with irrefutable evidence that disproves such beliefs. It never ceases to amaze me how folk like Legion consistently claim my threads and posts are worthless, etc., etc., yet they ALWAYS seem compelled to comment on them. A rational, honest person doesn't bother to such, as to date I don't read or comment on any of Legions authored threads. So to save time and space on my threads, I'll just dump this clown back to where he belongs.
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