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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed about evidence of travel to India, but aside from the Bible and a dubious note by Flavius Josephus, there is zero evidence Jesus existed.

    Disagreed that Jesus or anyone else couldn't spend two decades traveling from Judea to India, living there and returning. OTOH, he wouldn't have to go all the way to India. Just far enough east to encounter the ideas of Buddhism and other Eastern religions.

    Agreed on Zoroastrianism but I fail to see why you are in such denial that anyone from Judea could learn about Buddhism.
    2 different cultures. Christ came from the Jewish tradition of a "savior"

    Buddha was born during a time of great interest in reforming Hinduism . various sages tried different aspects
    Some of these taught forms of meditation, Yoga, and asceticism and set forth philosophical views, focusing often on the nature of the person and the question of whether human actions (karma) have future effects.
    https://www.britannica.com/biography...er-of-Buddhism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed about evidence of travel to India, but aside from the Bible and a dubious note by Flavius Josephus, there is zero evidence Jesus existed.

    Disagreed that Jesus or anyone else couldn't spend two decades traveling from Judea to India, living there and returning. OTOH, he wouldn't have to go all the way to India. Just far enough east to encounter the ideas of Buddhism and other Eastern religions.

    Agreed on Zoroastrianism but I fail to see why you are in such denial that anyone from Judea could learn about Buddhism.
    There is zero doubt knowledge of Eastern Religions were known in the Grecco-Roman world & for about 300 years by Jesus' time........

    Paul even mentioned the cities dedicated to gods, even unknown gods, as well as the money made in those cities, areas set aside for debates, arguments & exchange of knowledge......


    Greco-Buddhist art is the artistic manifestation of Greco-Buddhism, a cultural syncretism between the Classical Greek culture and Buddhism. Greco-Buddhist art is characterized by the strong idealistic realism and sensuous description of Hellenistic art and the first representations of the Buddha in human form, which have helped define the artistic (and particularly, sculptural) canon for Buddhist art throughout the Asian continent up to the present. It is also a strong example of cultural syncretism between eastern and western traditions.

    The origins of Greco-Buddhist art are to be found in the Hellenistic Greco-Bactrian kingdom (250–130 BC), located in today’s Afghanistan, from which Hellenistic culture radiated into the Indian subcontinent with the establishment of the Indo-Greek kingdom (180–10 BC). Under the Indo-Greeks and then the Kushans, the interaction of Greek and Buddhist culture flourished in the area of Gandhara, in today’s northern Pakistan, before spreading further into India, influencing the art of Mathura, and then the Hindu art of the Gupta empire, which was to extend to the rest of South-East Asia. The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of China, Korea, and Japan.


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    Jesus Christ in ancient, non-biblical historical records
    Updated Jan 07, 2019; Posted Mar 25, 2016

    One of the earliest known depictions of Jesus Christ. Dated to the 4th century, it was found in a cemetery in an imperial villa that belonged to Constantine.

    Christians now observing Holy Week - the passion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ - base their beliefs on the gospel writings contained in the New Testament.

    But the historical Jesus' life is mentioned in several non-Christian texts written by Jewish, Roman and Greek authors in the decades following his death.

    The most famous of these is "Antiquities of the Jews," written by the Jewish historian Josephus ben Matthias (37-100 A.D.)

    Josephus, who had fought against the Romans, was a slave and interpreter before he was granted Roman citizenship. He wrote "The Jewish War" in 75 A.D. and "Antiquities of the Jews, some 19 years later. By comparison, the earliest known gospel, attributed to Mark, is believed to have been written in 70 A.D.

    Josephus' writings mention a number of biblical figures - Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, James, the brother of Jesus, Pontius Pilate, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin, the High Priests, and the Pharisees.

    In one passage, Josephus refers to the stoning death of James in 62 A.D., calling him "the brother of Jesus who is called Christ." The neutral phrase "who is called Christ" was employed by Josephus to distinguish the subject from the other men named James and Jesus mentioned in "Antiquities."

    An expanded and more detailed reference to Jesus by Josephus has been the subject of debate with some claiming it to be entirely accurate and others who believe it was manufactured and inserted by early Christians.

    In this passage, Josephus discussed Jesus' broad appeal, condemnation, death and resurrection. Most scholars agree that early Christians likely added to Josephus' work such phrases "He was the Christ" and "he appeared to them alive again the third day." A Jewish historian, they argued, would not have written those words.

    A more neutral translation of Josephus' description of Jesus appears in John P. Meier's book "A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus: The Roots of the Problem and the Person." Removing the disputed phrases, the reference reads:

    Jesus existence and the devotion of his followers also appears outside Judeo-Christian texts written within a century after his death.

    Cornelius Tacitus (56-117 A.D.), a Roman consular and respected historian known for his dislike of Christians and Jews, wrote that Nero blamed the great fire in Rome of 64 A.D. on the followers of Christos, who was executed by Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. His words "mischievous superstition" may be a reference to the Christian belief of Jesus' resurrection.

    The Roman magistrate Pliny the Younger (61-113 A.D), who like his friend Tacitus had supervised trials of Christians, documented that early Christians believed Jesus to be a god, and they observed a strict moral code and gathered regularly for a worship. Their gatherings included song and the sharing of a meal.

    Beyond Rome, the Greek satirist Lucian of Samosata (115-200 A.D.) mocked early Christians for following their crucified lawgiver. He documented their belief in everlasting life.

    While none of these accounts will settle the faith-based argument on the divinity of Jesus, scholar Lawrence Mykytiuk wrote in Biblical Archaeology Review, the following historical points can be gleamed:

    Jesus existed and had a brother named James
    His appeal extended beyond Jews and included Greeks
    Jewish leaders of the day held an unfavorable opinion of him
    He was crucified when Pontius Pilate was prefect of Judea (26-36 A.D.)
    Jesus was called "Christos" in Greek, a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah

    https://www.masslive.com/living/2016...ccounts_1.html

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    "Jesus was either liar,lunatic,or LORD"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shel View Post
    "Jesus was either liar,lunatic,or LORD"
    St Thomas Aquinas
    A Jewish religious teacher.

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    In an ancient Hindu book the Supreme originating source of Gods & Cosmos said [Translation by a Hindu swami]:

    Bhagavan said:
    "In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants,
    as well as to reestablish the principles of religion,
    I advent Myself millennium after millennium." [Gita 4:8]

    Commentary of this verse by a Hindu swami:
    As far as the atheistic are concerned, it is not necessary for the Supreme Lord to appear as He is to destroy them, as He did with the demons Ravana and Kamsa. The Lord has many agents who are quite competent to vanquish demons. But the Lord especially descends to appease His unalloyed devotees, who are always harassed by the demonic. The demon harasses the devotee, even though the latter may happen to be his kin.

    Therefore it is said here that to deliver the devotee and vanquish the demon miscreants, the Lord appears in different incarnations.
    In the Caitanya-caritamrta, the following verses summarize these principles of incarnation:

    "The avatara, or incarnation of Godhead, descends from the kingdom of God for material manifestation. And the particular form of the Personality of Godhead who so descends is called an incarnation, or avatara. Such incarnations are situated in the spiritual world, the kingdom of God. When they descend to the material creation, they assume the name avatara."
    There are various kinds of avataras, such as purusavataras, gunavataras, lilavataras, saktyavesa avataras, manvantara-avataras and yugavataras—all appearing on schedule all over the universe. But Lord Krishna is the primeval Lord, the fountainhead of all avataras. Lord Krishna descends for the specific purposes of mitigating the anxieties of the pure devotees, who are very anxious to see Him in His original Vrndavana pastimes. Therefore, the prime purpose of the Krishna-avatara is to satisfy His unalloyed devotees.

    The Lord says that He incarnates Himself in every millennium. This indicates that He incarnates also in the age of Kali. As stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, the incarnation in the age of Kali is Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who spread the worship of Krishna by the sankirtana movement (congregational chanting of the holy names), and spread Krishna consciousness throughout India. He predicted that this culture of sankirtana would be broadcast all over the world, from town to town and village to village. Lord Caitanya as the incarnation of Krishna, the Personality of Godhead, is described secretly but not directly in the confidential parts of the revealed scriptures, such as the Upanisads, Mahabharata, Bhagavatam, etc. The devotees of Lord Krishna are much attracted by the sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya. This avatara of the Lord does not kill the miscreants, but delivers them by the causeless mercy of the Lord.

    https://www.asitis.com/4/8.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    There is zero doubt knowledge of Eastern Religions were known in the Grecco-Roman world & for about 300 years by Jesus' time........

    Paul even mentioned the cities dedicated to gods, even unknown gods, as well as the money made in those cities, areas set aside for debates, arguments & exchange of knowledge......


    Greco-Buddhist art is the artistic manifestation of Greco-Buddhism, a cultural syncretism between the Classical Greek culture and Buddhism. Greco-Buddhist art is characterized by the strong idealistic realism and sensuous description of Hellenistic art and the first representations of the Buddha in human form, which have helped define the artistic (and particularly, sculptural) canon for Buddhist art throughout the Asian continent up to the present. It is also a strong example of cultural syncretism between eastern and western traditions.

    The origins of Greco-Buddhist art are to be found in the Hellenistic Greco-Bactrian kingdom (250–130 BC), located in today’s Afghanistan, from which Hellenistic culture radiated into the Indian subcontinent with the establishment of the Indo-Greek kingdom (180–10 BC). Under the Indo-Greeks and then the Kushans, the interaction of Greek and Buddhist culture flourished in the area of Gandhara, in today’s northern Pakistan, before spreading further into India, influencing the art of Mathura, and then the Hindu art of the Gupta empire, which was to extend to the rest of South-East Asia. The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of China, Korea, and Japan.


    [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Gandhara%2C_testa_di_buddha%2C_I-III_sec.JPG
    Thanks for the link and reference. Agreed; the evidence is clear there was interaction between East and West even before Jesus arrived in Jerusalem.

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