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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    ATTN all liberal nut**bags,

    go hide under your beds until we give you the all clear.

    Dear God we have a nation of liberal half men, In times our women and children expect you to man up, liberals are manning down, panic is all over your faces, you can't hide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    While I would love to blame it all on trump, this problem has been baked in for a long time, fortunately shit didn't go south long before now, but now is the time to act, putting it off is what got us here..




    While we’re at it, let’s admit something more basic. The system would be failing even under a halfway competent president. The dirty little secret, which will soon become apparent to all, is that there is no real public health system in the United States.


    The ad hoc response fashioned late Friday by House Democrats and the White House may help a bit, although it’s skimpy, as I’ll explain.

    As the coronavirus outbreak in the US follows the same grim exponential growth path first displayed in Wuhan, China, before herculean measures were put in place to slow its spread there, America is waking up to the fact that it has almost no public capacity to deal with it.

    Instead of a public health system, we have a private for-profit system for individuals lucky enough to afford it and a rickety social insurance system for people fortunate enough to have a full-time jo
    b.

    At their best, both systems respond to the needs of individuals rather than the needs of the public as a whole. In America, the word “public” – as in public health, public education or public welfare – means a sum total of individual needs, not the common good.

    Contrast this with America’s financial system. The Federal Reserve concerns itself with the health of financial markets as a whole. Late last week the Fed made $1.5tn available to banks, at the slightest hint of difficulties making trades. No one batted an eye.


    When it comes to the health of the nation as a whole, money like this isn’t available. And there are no institutions analogous to the Fed with responsibility for overseeing and managing the public’s health – able to whip out a giant checkbook at a moment’s notice to prevent human, rather than financial, devastation.

    Even if a test for the Covid-19 virus had been developed and approved in time, no institutions are in place to administer it to tens of millions of Americans free of charge. Local and state health departments are already bare bones, having lost nearly a quarter of their workforce since 2008, according to the National Association of County and City Health Officials.

    Healthcare in America is delivered mainly by private for-profit corporations which, unlike financial institutions, are not required to maintain reserve capacity. As a result, the nation’s supply of ventilators isn’t nearly large enough to care for projected numbers of critically ill coronavirus victims unable to breathe for themselves. Its 45,000 intensive care unit beds fall woefully short of the 2.9 million likely to be needed.


    The Fed can close banks to quarantine financial crises but the US can’t close workplaces because the nation’s social insurance system depends on people going to work.

    Almost 30% of American workers have no paid sick leave from their employers, including 70% of low-income workers earning less than $10.49 an hour. Vast numbers of self-employed workers cannot afford sick leave. Friday’s deal between House Democrats and the White House won’t have much effect because it exempts large employers and offers waivers to smaller ones.

    Most jobless Americans don’t qualify for unemployment insurance because they haven’t worked long enough in a steady job and the ad-hoc deal doesn’t alter this. Meanwhile, more than 30 million Americans have no health insurance. Eligibility for Medicaid, food stamps and other public assistance is now linked to having or actively looking for work.

    It’s hard to close public schools because most working parents cannot afford childcare. Many poor children rely on school lunches for their only square meal a day. In Los Angeles, about 80% of students qualify for free or reduced lunches and just under 20,000 are homeless at some point during the school year.
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    There is no public health system in the US, in short, because the richest nation in the world has no capacity to protect the public as a whole, apart from national defense. Ad-hoc remedies such as House Democrats and the White House fashioned on Friday are better than nothing, but they don’t come close to filling this void.
    ALL OF THE NATIONS OVERRUN WITH COVID19 CASES AND DEATHS COMPARED TO THE US, HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, INCLUDING CHINA and EUROPE.

    HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT ?
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    America has no real public health system
    let's be honest......prior to Obama our approach to a "public" health care system was to regulate a private health system.......in 2014 the demmycrats decided to create a public health INSURANCE system, not a public health system.......they didn't do a very good job of it........
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bill,



    We are wishing we had universal healthcare now.

    Last night, a quick-fix bandaid was quickly conjured up, so that testing will be paid for. Up until then, if you couldn't pay for it, you couldn't even get tested. How dumb was that?

    Well, that's the problem with having a for-profit health care system.

    The goal was never to keep the nation healthy.

    It always was to just make money.

    Which sadly does not meet the needs of the nation.
    How's the universal healthcare system working out in Italy? Not enough beds, not enough ventilators, triaging patients. This is a case AGAINST universal healthcare, not for it.
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bill,



    We are wishing we had universal healthcare now.

    Last night, a quick-fix bandaid was quickly conjured up, so that testing will be paid for. Up until then, if you couldn't pay for it, you couldn't even get tested. How dumb was that?

    Well, that's the problem with having a for-profit health care system.

    The goal was never to keep the nation healthy.

    It always was to just make money.

    Which sadly does not meet the needs of the nation.
    Making money is why they exist, it is a business, just like cars & tacos..

    The "industry" has a few built it problems that will hopefully be addressed, if not this will happen again, perhaps much worse..

    As a business you like to run @ capacity~products underutilized/unsold=waste, empty beds, unused masks, drugs etc etc etc......

    Right on time production, parts availability etc is great. but your granparents aint parts...
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ALL OF THE NATIONS OVERRUN WITH COVID19 CASES AND DEATHS COMPARED TO THE US, HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, INCLUDING CHINA and EUROPE.

    HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT ?
    This is just getting started... This would be a great thread topic in a few weeks or so when we have a clearer picture of how it played...

    Stay safe..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    let's be honest......prior to Obama our approach to a "public" health care system was to regulate a private health system.......in 2014 the demmycrats decided to create a public health INSURANCE system, not a public health system.......they didn't do a very good job of it........
    I know how you hate to make thread topics, but surely this would be an exception, would it not??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ALL OF THE NATIONS OVERRUN WITH COVID19 CASES AND DEATHS COMPARED TO THE US, HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, INCLUDING CHINA and EUROPE.

    HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT ?
    Norwegian university urges students to return home from the U.S., cites ‘poorly developed health services’

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/no...ces-2020-03-15

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    I can't wait until we have great leaders again like Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, Obama and Joe Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    That's far too dangerous for the elderly. Self-styled Internet ' experts' should be avoided . They are all gong and no dinner.
    When to see a doctor

    Fevers by themselves may not be a cause for alarm — or a reason to call a doctor. Yet there are some circumstances when you should seek medical advice for your baby, your child or yourself.

    Infants

    An unexplained fever is greater cause for concern in infants and in children than in adults. Call your baby's doctor if your child is:

    Younger than age 3 months and has a rectal temperature of 100.4 F (38 C) or higher.
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    Between ages 6 and 24 months and has a rectal temperature higher than 102 F (38.9 C) that lasts longer than one day but shows no other symptoms. If your child also has other signs and symptoms, such as a cold, cough or diarrhea, you might call your child's doctor sooner based on severity.

    Children

    There's probably no cause for alarm if your child has a fever but is responsive — making eye contact with you and responding to your facial expressions and to your voice — and is drinking fluids and playing.

    Call your child's doctor if your child:

    Is listless or irritable, vomits repeatedly, has a severe headache or stomachache, or has any other symptoms causing significant discomfort.
    Has a fever after being left in a hot car. Seek medical care immediately.
    Has a fever that lasts longer than three days.
    Appears listless and has poor eye contact with you.

    Ask your child's doctor for guidance in special circumstances, such as a child with immune system problems or with a pre-existing illness.

    Adults

    Call your doctor if your temperature is 103 F (39.4 C) or higher. Seek immediate medical attention if any of these signs or symptoms accompanies a fever:

    Severe headache
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    let's be honest......prior to Obama our approach to a "public" health care system was to regulate a private health system.......in 2014 the demmycrats decided to create a public health INSURANCE system, not a public health system.......they didn't do a very good job of it........
    He got insurance coverage for about 30 million people. Do you think that in a flu pandemic it is good to have the people covered? Or better to have people without insurance walking the streets and going to work. Obama did a good job and Trump took it away making you happy and putting us in more peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    He got insurance coverage for about 30 million people. Do you think that in a flu pandemic it is good to have the people covered? Or better to have people without insurance walking the streets and going to work. Obama did a good job and Trump took it away making you happy and putting us in more peril.
    fake numbers......most of those 30 million already had insurance........more lost it that gained it.........
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    And to think, Trump proposed cutting the CDC budget.
    And he fired the Pandemic Response team. Only Trump could fail that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ALL OF THE NATIONS OVERRUN WITH COVID19 CASES AND DEATHS COMPARED TO THE US, HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, INCLUDING CHINA and EUROPE.

    HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT ?
    May very well be a marker for how bad this Pandemic is, how much it overwhelms health systems and what a shit show our heath system will be shown to be. Especially considering Italy is rated as the 2nd best health system in the world. BTW we are about 37 for comparison. When it's all said and done China did alright, not great but considering they have the largest population on the planet their draconian measures attempted to limit it and it got somewhat contained for them.

    Now if we want to see a damn good example of universal health care and being on top of it, we can look at Taiwan. So ALL THAT CAPS LOCK SCREAMING kinda looks ridiculous honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    fake numbers......most of those 30 million already had insurance........more lost it that gained it.........
    i like bubble talk.

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