Mr. Spock Presents An Interesting Free Will Problem

**MAGA MAN** · 03-02-2020, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

Yet some laws of physics have been falsified. That changes them. Just what is the 'course of the universe'? Is it going somewhere?

The laws haven't changed; people have just furthered their understanding of it. According to orbital mathematics, the universe is going somewhere.

**MAGA MAN** · 03-02-2020, 07:47 PM

Of course man has free will. How else could there be dumbasses?

**Bobb** · 03-02-2020, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

Quantum Mechanics is physics. You have just put yourself in paradox. Which is it, dude?
1) The 'laws of physics' says the universe is deterministic.
2) Quantum mechanics, part of physics, says the universe is not deterministic.

Even with your ignorant assumption of QM randomness, randomness does not support the doctrine of Free Will.

**Into the Night** · 03-03-2020, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Soul

The laws haven't changed; people have just furthered their understanding of it. According to orbital mathematics, the universe is going somewhere.

Really??? Where is the universe going? What is it orbiting?

**Into the Night** · 03-03-2020, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Soul

Of course man has free will. How else could there be dumbasses?

That's certainly one way to look at it!

**Into the Night** · 03-03-2020, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bobb

Even with your ignorant assumption of QM randomness, randomness does not support the doctrine of Free Will.

Never said it did.

**MAGA MAN** · 03-04-2020, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

Really??? Where is the universe going? What is it orbiting?

All the stars and planets and moons are moving around in predetermined paths...

**Into the Night** · 03-05-2020, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Soul

All the stars and planets and moons are moving around in predetermined paths...

The universe is not a star, moon, or planet.
The thing that each of these is orbiting is also moving, so how are you predetermining the paths?

There is no absolute zero speed. It's time for you to leave your comfortable Newtonian model of the universe and entertain the concepts of relativity.

**MAGA MAN** · 03-05-2020, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

The universe is not a star, moon, or planet.
The thing that each of these is orbiting is also moving, so how are you predetermining the paths?

There is no absolute zero speed. It's time for you to leave your comfortable Newtonian model of the universe and entertain the concepts of relativity.

Uh, ok.