Chief of staff Mick Mulvaney says ‘turn the television off’ amid coronavirus crisis

[Saudade]

Thank you for the honest Answer:

"There’s no good reason to go to the doc for the flu. Apart from the fact they get to charge you for the office visit. If you have flu symptoms—it’s probably 90% probability you have the flu ..."

Result: People will NOT be going to get Tested. They will walk around and Infect others. The Weak and Unfortunate will end up dying. So ... The Plan ... is do nothing.

You're assuming no one buys a test kit.

The cost of a kit and sending it out to get tested is not much.

[Jack]

What are they going to do at the hospital lol?

Wave a magic wand over you? Get the hell home and drink a bunch of fluid before you infect other people.

1. It has to be 'Free'.
2. The idea would be to isolate or quarantine the Infected.
3. The Death Rate could be reduced.

[Darth Omar]

I'll admit that I lean paranoid regarding anything viral or bacterial, but the implications from what is happening in China aren't good.

They appear to be burning a lot of bodies at this point. They probably have hundreds of thousands dead by now. They just only report the smallest numbers they believe they can get away with.

Well, there have been enough cases of it in other places that they have a decent grasp of the mortality rate by now.

And it’s more or less in line with the seasonal flu virus.

[Jack]

You're assuming no one buys a test kit.

The cost of a kit and sending it out to get tested is not much.

Where's the 'Test Kit'. (I think we already addressed the lack of 'Test Kits' here in the US)

[Darth Omar]

1. It has to be 'Free'.
2. The idea would be to isolate or quarantine the Infected.
3. The Death Rate could be reduced.

There’s no reason to show up at a hospital with the flu unless your symptoms dictate it.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Saudade]

Well, there have been enough cases of it in other places that they have a decent grasp of the mortality rate by now.

And it’s more or less in line with the seasonal flu virus.

Admittedly, the mortality rate in China is probably higher in general due to the lack of proper hygiene there.

That being said, the scariest aspects of this virus are that it appears to do permanent damage to your immune system, and it is apparently biphasic. There are people who have been "cured" but then still had the virus in their bloodstream and started having symptoms again a few weeks later.

[Jack]

"The World Health Organization (WHO) has shipped testing kits to 57 countries. China had five commercial tests on the market 1 month ago and can now do up to 1.6 million tests a week; South Korea has tested 65,000 people so far. The U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in contrast, has done only 459 tests since the epidemic began. The rollout of a CDC-designed test kit to state and local labs has become a fiasco because it contained a faulty reagent. Labs around the country eager to test more suspected cases—and test them faster—have been unable to do so. No commercial or state labs have the approval to use their own tests."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...y-soon-improve

You're assuming no one buys a test kit.

The cost of a kit and sending it out to get tested is not much.

[Saudade]

Where's the 'Test Kit'. (I think we already addressed the lack of 'Test Kits' here in the US)

Well, to be honest, most of the material I've read about them suggests that they are being publicly provided without personal expense. The issue isn't a lack of test kits so much as the testing methods need some refining. There is evidence that the tests weren't particularly accurate initially. There are revised kits being rolled out by the CDC now.

[Saudade]

"The World Health Organization (WHO) has shipped testing kits to 57 countries. China had five commercial tests on the market 1 month ago and can now do up to 1.6 million tests a week; South Korea has tested 65,000 people so far. The U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in contrast, has done only 459 tests since the epidemic began. The rollout of a CDC-designed test kit to state and local labs has become a fiasco because it contained a faulty reagent. Labs around the country eager to test more suspected cases—and test them faster—have been unable to do so. No commercial or state labs have the approval to use their own tests."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...y-soon-improve

Sounds like a regulatory issue. Ease up on what's allowed, and the problem is solved. If we can use the same kits as the ones that the WHO is providing, then all is well, eh?

[Jack]

Well, to be honest, most of the material I've read about them suggests that they are being publicly provided without personal expense. The issue isn't a lack of test kits so much as the testing methods need some refining. There is evidence that the tests weren't particularly accurate initially. There are revised kits being rolled out by the CDC now.

Really?

"In what is already an infamous snafu, CDC initially refused a request to test a patient in Northern California who turned out to be the first probable COVID19 case without known links to an infected person."
"The problems have led many to doubt that the official tally of 60 confirmed cases in the United States is accurate. “There have been blunders, and there could be an underlying catastrophe that we don’t know about,” says epidemiologist Michael Mina, who helps run a microbiology testing lab at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. “It’s been very complicated and confusing for everyone with almost no clarity being provided by the CDC.” "
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...y-soon-improve

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[Saudade]

Really?

"In what is already an infamous snafu, CDC initially refused a request to test a patient in Northern California who turned out to be the first probable COVID19 case without known links to an infected person."
"The problems have led many to doubt that the official tally of 60 confirmed cases in the United States is accurate. “There have been blunders, and there could be an underlying catastrophe that we don’t know about,” says epidemiologist Michael Mina, who helps run a microbiology testing lab at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. “It’s been very complicated and confusing for everyone with almost no clarity being provided by the CDC.” "
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...y-soon-improve

--->Feb. 28, 2020 , 5:45 PM<---

Fair enough, but again, this sounds like a regulatory issue. Your other source mentioned that a key problem was the fact that authorities weren't being allowed to use certain kits. If the WHO is able to provide so many kits across the world, then they should be able to use them here. It sounds like one of our various regulatory agencies is holding things back -- maybe the CDC itself is doing that.

Remove the regulatory barrier, and we can use the kits that seem to work everywhere else.

[Darth Omar]

Admittedly, the mortality rate in China is probably higher in general due to the lack of proper hygiene there.

That being said, the scariest aspects of this virus are that it appears to do permanent damage to your immune system, and it is apparently biphasic. There are people who have been "cured" but then still had the virus in their bloodstream and started having symptoms again a few weeks later.

Viruses are little more than DNA and can even infect bacteria. Weird little critters.

All of them are scary in their own right. Streptococcus bacteria can affect the heart valves. Strep throat can lead to heart valve replacement.

Ignorance can be bliss lol.

[Jack]

Fair enough, but again, this sounds like a regulatory issue. Your other source mentioned that a key problem was the fact that authorities weren't being allowed to use certain kits. If the WHO is able to provide so many kits across the world, then they should be able to use them here. It sounds like one of our various regulatory agencies is holding things back -- maybe the CDC itself is doing that.

Remove the regulatory barrier, and we can use the kits that seem to work everywhere else.

And then what?

[Jack]

Viruses are little more than DNA and can even infect bacteria. Weird little critters.

All of them are scary in their own right. Streptococcus bacteria can affect the heart valves. Strep throat can lead to heart valve replacement.

Ignorance can be bliss lol.

1. Do you recognize that there is a Problem? Or is China just 'making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill'?
2. Do you think the Pension Funds and Insurance Companies that hold much of the Stock traded on the NYSE Exchange don't really know much and are just 'overreacting'?

[Nordberg]

Stats in Italy show that one sick person infects 2 others. They have 8 thousand. Then it will be 24 k. Soon nearing 100 k. It is easy to see that it will be everywhere. they have tested over 12,000 people . We have done a hundred? The death rate is supposed to be 2 percent. They claim 26 dead. A reported called all the hospitals and came up with 124. This is a mess.
they just found a case in Oregon Since there were no other cases They did not do a lot of precautions. So 100 plus doctors and nurses were sent home for a couple of weeks. The sick person worked in a kid's school.
And so it goes.