ABOUT THAT "SOCIALISM" THING...

[Frank Apisa]

Frankie Baby,


The clearest commitment that you provide for us in your post (above) is that in the Nov 2020 Presidential election you": "intent to vote for the Democratic Party nominee, even if the were to nominate Satan."


At the moment I believe Bernie Sanders the (democratic) socialist is a front-runner in the polls, but hot on his heels is the extraordinary wealthy billionaire, Michael Bloomberg, who was a Republican many for years but is now campaigning as a Democrat in the Presidential nomination race.

Quite a number of expert political pundits have predicted that these two men will dominate the battle for Presidential nomination.

In some ways, I am not surprised to see a full-blooded socialist like Sanders up on the candidates debate stage and doing well in the polls to date. The reason is that the Democratic Party has now been drifting leftward for well over THREE decades. The party's base today is largely comprised of so-called "progressive" Democrats, persons who have support for many of the policies that, say, Elizabeth Warren does. I personally view "progressive" Democrats as socialists for convenience. I use a very blunt binary to classify the people (adults) I meet in terms of their political world-view. For me, a person is either positioned on the RIGHT of the ideological spectrum (like a Republican or a Tory), or, they locate themselves on the LEFT (like: the "democratic" socialists, orthodox socialists, the British Labour Party under the leadership of the Marxist, Jeremy Corbyn). Here are some examples of the kind of policies that socialist Congressional Democrats are promoting today...



*Universal Basic Income

* Free Public College

* Reparations (to descendants of slaves)

* Immigration should be Increased

* Disband ICE

* Dismantle what sections of the US/Mexico Border Wall have already been erected

* Make Paid Maternity Leave available and Government Funding for Childcare

* Implement a suitable version of the "Green New Deal" resolution

* Set $ 15.00 as the minimum wage

* Medicare for All - Single-Payer Health Care System

* Decriminalise all unauthorised Border Crossings

* Expand the Access illegal immigrants have to Government Services

* Provide 3.2 Million units of Affordable Housing for Low-Income and middle-class families PLUS Mortgage Assistance for those who were victims of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC)

* (Socialist Democrats are generally strongly pro-choice regarding abortion, and also many would support the decriminalisation of Cannabis as a recreational drug)




So, if Bernie Sanders becomes President of the US in November 2020, the policies I listed above give you a reasonable idea of what kind of changes he will implement in American society.

No they don't...and only a person of low intellect would think that. I doubt he could get one-tenth of that program passed by the congress...and most cannot be done by presidential fiat.

He would lobby for many of those things...AND SO WOULD I. So would most people with any brains.

So...your point is???

In my opinion, having a socialist like Bernie Sanders as the 46th President of the US would be an utter disaster. Socialism does not work and make no mistake Bernie Sanders IS a socialist.

Yes, he is. I mentioned that at the beginning of my OP...which you quoted above.

History has taught us this lesson time and again, but it seems socialism is a "zombie" doctrine that we simply cannot bury without having it resurrect itself again before too long and then start running amok down the high street. " Let me tell you, Frankie, Socialism SUX; Socialism TAKES IT UP THE ASS. Wherever you have BIG, bloated, intrusive, censorious and omnipresent government along with centralised social/economic planners dictating how individuals in the collective will live their lives, HUMAN FREEDOM inevitably suffocates and dies. (And) a life that experiences the dying ,and then the death, of human freedom is not a life worth living. You would yearn to join the "grateful dead."

Hyberbole much?

True socialism is little more than one hundred years old. Using a "history has taught us time and time again" meme is absurd considering that.

So calm down.

The funny thing you'll notice about the Democratic Presidential candidate contest at present is that two front-runners have now emerged: Bernie Sanders (socialist) and Mike Bloomfield (a "moderate" Democrat)

Not sure why you find that funny, but I am delighted you have a good sense of humor.

I also have one.

[Frank Apisa]

No distortion Frank. Those were your words.

It WAS a distortion...and you know it. You took words and truncated a comment...and then said, "says it all."

That is both a distortion and a lie.

Not really the kind of thing you do, RB. Instead of doubling down, you should acknowledge you were distorting...and move on.

[Frank Apisa]

That kind of (repetitive) talk is not "happy as a clam", you know....it's just not....
Good Morning, btw

Good morning, TOP.

I am a very happy and content individual. If that bothers you as much as it seems to...not much I can do. Not sure why you think "repetitive talk" is an indication of not being happy, but you have to deal with it, not Moi.

[CFM]

Good morning, TOP.

I am a very happy and content individual. If that bothers you as much as it seems to...not much I can do. Not sure why you think "repetitive talk" is an indication of not being happy, but you have to deal with it, not Moi.

You're a miserable human. Anyone that would support what you support has proven they live a miserable existence. When your old ass goes into hiding on an anonymous forum because you were made to look like a fool, it's time you performed a retroactive abortion on yourself.

[TOP]

Good morning, TOP.

I am a very happy and content individual. If that bothers you as much as it seems to...not much I can do. Not sure why you think "repetitive talk" is an indication of not being happy, but you have to deal with it, not Moi.

Your posts just don't reflect your "happy and contentedness"... Just my humble opinion, but I'm not sure why you think they do...
Doesn't "bother" me...I'm just commenting...
I prefer and encourage positivity

[Frank Apisa]

Your posts just don't reflect your "happy and contentedness"... Just my humble opinion, but I'm not sure why you think they do...

Have I said they do?

Not sure what kinds of comments and postings you expect from a happy and content person in a political forum of this sort...during a period of political turbulence such as we are now experiencing. But if you are supposing a "happy and content person" should be doing the equivalent of singing Kumbaya or Mairzy doats and dozy doats...you are way out of touch.

That is not going to happen in a place like this.

Doesn't "bother" me...I'm just commenting...
I prefer and encourage positivity

You've now gone to this well several times, TOP...so perhaps it is time to stop. Or, if supposing I am not a happy and content person fills some void in your life...by all means, continue. I am more than willing to reply.

Have a great day.

[TOP]

Have I said they do?

Not sure what kinds of comments and postings you expect from a happy and content person in a political forum of this sort...during a period of political turbulence such as we are now experiencing. But if you are supposing a "happy and content person" should be doing the equivalent of singing Kumbaya or Mairzy doats and dozy doats...you are way out of touch.

That is not going to happen in a place like this.



You've now gone to this well several times, TOP...so perhaps it is time to stop. Or, if supposing I am not a happy and content person fills some void in your life...by all means, continue. I am more than willing to reply.

Have a great day.

Ok...you too

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Aren't countries amazingly different! I have never dreamed (except once, when I owed a local councillor a good turn) of voting for anyone who wasn't a socialist, and I stopped attending the Quakers when they asked a tory MP round to talk. I'm not alone either.

[Dachshynddawg]

Any program at all that helps the people is called socialism. What a farce. Righty are Pavlovian in their training. Say socialism and they foam at the mouth and scream. Giving money and power to the wealthy, priceless.

Nordberg,


There are lots of "programs" I know of that help people. I, for example, volunteer some of my spare time to a program called "Delta Dogs." The idea is that if you have a nice pet dog (like my Dachshund) you register it with the "Delta Dogs" program and they sent you and your dog out to visit old people who are in hospital or living on their own, etc. The people that you visit love meeting and patting your dog. Generally visitations are for about one to two hours and while the person you are visiting is enjoying the company of your dog, making conversation is very easy. So "the "Delta Dog's" program helps people by alleviating their loneliness and allowing them to enjoy having some fun getting to know your pet dog.


It has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism which is a lethal and destructive, collectivist, politico-economic ideology; one that has failed disastrously in every single place in the world where it has been (temporarily) established.


Dachshund

[Cypress]

...I have a few words to say about it...from a personal perspective.

In a couple of posts recently, it has been asserted that I would not vote for a socialist for president. I have said point blank that I would...and almost certainly will this next election, because I think Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic Party nominee (Bernie is a socialist)...and I intend to vote for the Democratic Party nominee, even if they were to nominate Satan.

Trump is so bad, I now consider ANYONE to be preferable.

Hell yeah, I'd vote for a socialist...and do so proudly.

My personal political objective is to see EVERYONE have plenty of the things needed (food, clothing, shelter, education, medical care, transportation, communication)...and at least some of the things that are wanted, but not necessarily needed.

I want that to be the case BEFORE anyone has to work in order to obtain it.

I am told my many that that cannot happen under our current economic system. So...I say switch to another system, and see if it can happen under it. I certainly am willing to give socialism a chance.

Other than that, I am waiting for the weather to change so I can get away from this goddam computer a bit more...and play some golf.

The rightwing does not even know what socialism is.

They are all over the map

They spent a decade calling Barack Obama a Marxist-Socialist.

They spent entire careers calling western european nations socialist.

Then they will quickly backtrack and try to claim socialism only means Venezuela, USSR, and Cuba

I really think the word socialism is the vestige of a residual psychological fear that generally only triggers certain people who are over the age of 60.

[Frank Apisa]

The rightwing does not even know what socialism is.

They are all over the map

They spent a decade calling Barack Obama a Marxist-Socialist.

They spent entire careers calling western european nations socialist.

Then they will quickly backtrack and try to claim socialism only means Venezuela, USSR, and Cuba

I really think the word socialism is the vestige of a residual psychological fear that generally only triggers certain people who are over the age of 60.

Yup.

Some!

I'm over 80...but I am not frightened by socialism as some of these people are.

And anyone who does not see that some borrowing from Socialism is in order for us...is either willfully blind or ignorant.

[Mason Michaels]

That kind of (repetitive) talk is not "happy as a clam", you know....it's just not....
Good Morning, btw

Says the queen of posting the same stupid shit endlessly! hypocritical to the bitter end!
Paging Apollyon!

[Mason Michaels]

Yes Frank, we know you'd vote for Satan, the most horrific and evil bastard who will bring on Armageddon and destroy the world, over Trump. And you say you don't hate Trump

Sorry but if you'll reread Revelation 13,you will see Satan gave his power to the Beast(Antichrist)

[Mason Michaels]

Your posts just don't reflect your "happy and contentedness"... Just my humble opinion, but I'm not sure why you think they do...
Doesn't "bother" me...I'm just commenting...
I prefer and encourage positivity

Your pathetic life is one long passive/aggressive attack on all that don't kiss your brown ring,which seems to be only C.O.and once in awhile Earl,USF just uses you.
There isn't a thing positive about you!

[Loving91390]

There is nothing “ independent “ about ... Yank Apenis .