Earl (02-29-2020)
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Earl (02-29-2020)
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Earl (02-29-2020)
Do you contend that some time before November 2016 the Democrats running the FBI leaked that they were investigating Trump's campaign for possible collusion with Russian election interference?
If they were conspiring to stop Trump at all costs, that's what they should have done. This is the part I don't understand: they didn't do that. Instead, Comey anounced that he was reopening the investigation into the Clinton email saga. Did they get their orders from the DNC mixed up?
Illiterate, shocker, nowhere in the OP or anywhere else in this thread did I claim that the DOJ declared the FISA applications were illegal. You are literally responding to a point I never made. The basis of it being illegal, obviously, as stated clearly in plain English, is that the applications lied about the evidence being verified. You being too illiterate to comprehend what is being argued is no one's problem but your own. And hurling empty smear labels like "Hannity innuendos" (while misspelling said labels, further demonstrating said literacy issues) doesn't magically convert provable established facts into some propaganda just because that's what you want to be true.
Next embarrassingly inept and dishonest ploy from a laughable moron, please.
And then there is this.
What else you got, archives?
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Earl (02-29-2020)
I will believe Graham when I see it. He is a deep state RINO hiding in plain sight. He hasn’t done shit sine taking over judiciary.
Establishment elites in key leadership positions in Obama's DOJ and FBI made shocking numbers of requests to the NSA to remove the blacked out names of the Trump associates identified in these DNC dossier-based (hence fake, and illegally manufactured) reports as having at any time met with any Russian anywhere. Those names are blacked out to protect U.S. citizen privacy as required by law, but requests can be made to remove the blacked out redaction of names so that they can be discussed in classified meetings. Then those revealed names were systematically leaked to the press on a massive, sweeping scale to make it look like intelligence reports were coming out of the woodwork showing that Trump was colluding with Russia despite literally none of the evidence showing that.
It's basically money-laundering, but with accusations instead of money. Manufacture fake evidence against your opponent, run it through intelligence agencies and get them to copy and paste it onto government documents, then leak those fake reports to the press pretending that the government has this plethora of proof that your opponent did something wrong.
It's beyond dispute at this point that this is exactly what they were trying to accomplish. But they got caught and failed.
Those same Obama DOJ and FBI officials were also caught doctoring the evidence to make Hillary look innocent despite overwhelming proof that she deliberately committed numerous felonies not only storing highly classified information on a private server despite having signed numerous documents confirming that she knew doing this would make her guilty of a major federal crime (and it has since been proven that Chinese and Russian spied DID in fact gain access to highly classified information due to her felonies), but also destroying evidence under subpoena once she was caught. This was all swept under the rug. Then the classified emails she and Obama's officials helped destroy and bury were found on Anthony Weiner's computer and everything they had done to conceal her crimes was exposed. This happened at the end of September 2016. Between this and the fact that Comey realized at this point that Hillary was not necessarily going to win the election and protect everyone who rigged the election for her, he reversed course and pretended to re-open the investigation into her many, many crimes just long enough to not look like a co-conspirator trying to weaponize law enforcement to steal an election for one side. It was CYA that created just enough reasonable doubt to keep him out of prison.
Permit me to repeat the question: did anyone leak that the FBI was investigating Trump's campaign for possible Russian collusion?
If "they" were out to sink Trump, that's the one thing they should have done BEFORE THE ELECTION. Did they?
ADDED
This is from a high-level leak in April 2017, in another country:
<< GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.
Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians ...
“It looks like the US agencies were asleep,” the source added. “They [the European agencies] were saying: ‘There are contacts going on between people close to Mr Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.’ >>
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Permit me to repeat the answer, as I did here. After unmasking an unprecedented number of Trump associates for the purpose of making it look like there was a plethora of government evidence (when there was zero, as Mueller confirmed) that Trump people were colluding with Russia, the names revealed by that process for were then repeatedly illegally leaked for months to the press...again, to make it look like this DNC-funded misinformation was coming from legitimate government sources.
Need it explained a third time?
Trying to rig and steal an election yet failing means they didn't try? Well, I guess the impeachment case can be negated then, because the non-crime they accused Trump of TRYING but failing to commit was never actually successful, according to their narrative.
The initial Fusion GPS opposition research pushing the Russian collusion theory began in October of 2015. And as we have seen with Steele and Simpson, they were willing to peddle their propaganda overseas to stage and manufacture credibility for this fraud. And so was the FBI/DOJ. When questions started being asked about whether this entire collusion conspiracy theory really was based entirely on fake DNC-funded smear propaganda, the FBI and DOJ Russian misinformation (from the dossier) suddenly and magically appeared in the hands of foreign spies like Alexander Downer and Stefan Halper, who were also caught overtly trying to stage fake exchanges with Trump officials to manufacture evidence to legitimize the Democrat frame job.
Pointing out that foreign intelligence services were tipped off to signs of scattered interactions early on is COMPATIBLE with the existing facts of the hoax.
Yup. If the "Democrats" running the FBI (Comey and McCabe?) wanted to swing the election, the one thing they should have done was leak the fact that Trump was under FBI investigation for possible collusion with a hostile foreign power. They didn't. Even after the inauguration, Trump had to ask Comey whether he was under FBI investigation
This is an attempt to twist the facts to fit your "theory". It doesn't work. The most glaring anomaly is that the DNC commissioned Fusion GPS in April 2016; then Fusion hired Steele in June 2016. Yet according to your theory, they were busy planting disinformation about Trump with foreign intel agencies in 2015, when virtually no one thought that Trump would be the Republican nominee.The initial Fusion GPS opposition research pushing the Russian collusion theory began in October of 2015. And as we have seen with Steele and Simpson, they were willing to peddle their propaganda overseas to stage and manufacture credibility for this fraud. And so was the FBI/DOJ. When questions started being asked about whether this entire collusion conspiracy theory really was based entirely on fake DNC-funded smear propaganda, the FBI and DOJ Russian misinformation (from the dossier) suddenly and magically appeared in the hands of foreign spies like Alexander Downer and Stefan Halper, who were also caught overtly trying to stage fake exchanges with Trump officials to manufacture evidence to legitimize the Democrat frame job.
Pointing out that foreign intelligence services were tipped off to signs of scattered interactions early on is COMPATIBLE with the existing facts of the hoax.
I quit - this discussion is going nowhere.
But, they DID do that. Trump was selectively briefed by Comey only on the most absurd parts of the dossier so that it could be claimed that the White House had been notified. The part about Democrats funding a made-up collusion witch hunt was carefully left out, but the fact that there was an official White House meeting about the fringe aspects of the investigation gave reporters all the cover they needed to start selling the scam to their audiences. The meeting was immediately leaked to the press and they ran with it unquestioningly and relentlessly for YEARS, by design.
That's because Fusion GPS was initially hired by liberal Republicans running against Trump in the primaries. Once Trump secured the nomination, it was dropped until Democrats paid Fusion GPS to resurrect it and turn it into a straight-up coup attempt.
It's fine to admit you're losing and retreat. Nothing wrong with that if the facts turn out to show that you're wrong. It happens.
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