White Nationalists v Democratic Socialists!

[Flash]

It is threatening to tell someone that you think they should be your slave or sent back to Africa.

Do you not think that is intimidating?

Legally? Only if you threaten to take some action (or take some action) to make them your slave or send them back. You can tell somebody anything you want unless you threaten them. You have committed no crime.

[LV426]

A message unaccompanied by illegal action is not illegal intimidation.

Sure it is! If I said that you are a piece of human shit that should be sent back to the shitty place your ancestors came from, you'd go cry how I was intimidating you in a New York minute!

It is protected free speech.

No.

Telling someone to go back to Africa is not protected free speech.

In fact, it is specifically called HATE SPEECH and is even in the EEOC statutes:

EEOC documents specifically cite the use of the comment "Go back to where you came from", as the example of unlawful workplace conduct by co-workers and supervisors—along with the use of "insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's accent"—deemed to be "harassment based on national origin".
https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publicatio...-wOLCedits.pdf

[SmarterthanYou]

It is threatening to tell someone that you think they should be your slave or sent back to Africa.

Do you not think that is intimidating?

not by simply waving a flag, it isn't. Thats the same thing as equating the rainbow flag with pedophilia.........a misnomer and false representation

[LV426]

You are using intimidation in such a vague manner it can be anything you choose.

No, what I'm saying is that it's not up to you to patronize people when it comes to how they're being intimidated.

That's why you keep switching "intimidation" out with "offense"; if you said those people were merely offended by the flag, you could make the 1A argument...but if those people say they are intimidated by the flag, suddenly you can't make that argument without either dismissing or patronizing their victimhood.

You're a narcissist.

[LV426]

If you want to ban something because it is intimidating, you have to at least be talking about illegal intimidation and then it does not involve symbols.

It is unlawful for anyone to tell someone else to "Go back to where you came from" in the workplace.

Why do you think that is?

You're here arguing that people aren't intimidated by the Confederate Flag, they're just offended by it.

That patronizing is only the result of narcissism.

[Flash]

I haven't followed this thread but I did see this post and what you responded to. You are talking about a person who regularly wishes death on others, regularly tells people to kill themselves and tells other they aren't allowed to have an opinion and they want to speak about empathy and intimidation?

You take this board for what it is and you take things with a large grain of salt but even that made me do a double take.

Exactly. He worries about people being intimidated by a flag, but he makes violent posts much more intimidating than anything involving Confederate symbols.

LV426: No Conservative can be allowed a voice after this shit.

LV426: They must be marginalized, and we must have a second Reconstruction to eliminate their political power.

26: DIE.

LV426: Seriously, fucking die.

LV426: I hope you overdose on opioids and I hope your family finds your rotten, bloated corpse.

LV426: Literally, Conservative militias and lawmakers threatened violence and showed up armed to occupy the state house in Oregon.

LV426: I say forget arresting them and dragging them to do their jobs; just fucking shoot on sight. They're terrorists and have made it clear they will hire brownshirts.

LV426: I say call their bluffs. Open fire. Kill 'em all. Conservatives have made it clear they would rather blow up the country than adhere to democratic norms. So give them what they want and fucking end them.

LV426: Instead of backing down, I think these governors and mayors and politicians should call their bluff and BLAST THEIR TRAITOROUS ASSES TO KINGDOM COME.

[LV426]

correlation does not equal causation

The flag and monuments were specifically erected and flown to celebrate the white supremacy that was the basis of the Confederacy, and the people who built those monuments and flew those flags all said so.

For someone who says they don't want to erase history, you are erasing history.

[LV426]

One person does not represent an entire demographic, unless we can label every liberal out there a pedophile because of epstein

OMFG...you said that no one was lynched today by people who wave that dumb flag, except for the fact that tons of people have been lynched and tons more will be lynched.

Dylan Roof was just one...the guy who shot up the El Paso Walmart, and the guy who shot up the Tree of Life temple in Pittsburgh are other examples.

as i stated above, one person doesn't represent an entire demographic. you should know this

So from where could Roof have possibly gotten the idea that the Confederate Flag represents white supremacy?

[TTQ64]

You said they were wrong if they were intimidating. Intimidation does not just involve racism, violence, slavery, oppression or hate. Now you are saying intimidation is ok unless it involves black people. Things intimidating white people are acceptable. That is the real racism.

boy bye!!.......no one's got time for you're BS.

I'll repeat:

All this other BS your spewing is just that BS. Stop being a fucking coward and stand behind your racist beliefs since you don't give two shits about how Blacks feel......then speak your truth. Stop hiding behind false equivalencies and twisting laws to fit you narrative. Be proud of what you represent and stand for after all, Blacks cant' do anything about right?

You fucking cowards make me sick.

[LV426]

No, you still don't understand the law.

I understand the law just fine...it's a law that is written by the same people who bend the law to place these tools of oppression in the public for the purpose of intimidating others.

That's why they were all built in the first place.

What you don't seem to understand is that your perspective is not universal, and that you patronize when you dismiss intimidation as merely "offense".

[TTQ64]

BS. Did seeing a Confederate flag ever keep you in your place or prevent you from acting? If it did, you are a coward. If it did not, then you are a liar.

Also, there was no threatening action involved. You are looking at a flag and making up with your version of what the holder meant. A flag cannot theaten anybody.

You and DL426 need to learn some basic constitutional law. It would rid both of you of many erroneous assumptions.

You're doing it again.......telling Blacks what they feel is irrelevant?

I told you it intimidate me and you dismiss it.

[LV426]

The laws against intimidation are basically the same in all states so the fact that those erecting monuments wrote the laws is irrelevant. Those same actions would not violate intimidation laws in any state.

So...you said before that the message the flag conveys includes "go back to Africa".

Well, here's an EEOC statute that specifically says that specific phrase itself is harassment and is unlawful.

Ethnic slurs or other verbal or physical conduct because of national origin are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from," whether made by supervisors or by co-workers.

So in the workplace, it's illegal to tell someone to "go back to where you came from" because it is not only offensive, but also intimidating.

Woops. How inconvenient for your argument.

[Flash]

boy bye!!.......no one's got time for you're BS.

I'll repeat:

All this other BS your spewing is just that BS. Stop being a fucking coward and stand behind your racist beliefs since you don't give two shits about how Blacks feel......then speak your truth. Stop hiding behind false equivalencies and twisting laws to fit you narrative. Be proud of what you represent and stand for after all, Blacks cant' do anything about right?

You fucking cowards make me sick.

Your answer to everything is to call people racists and never seem to realize how bad your racism is because you think it is justified.

[cawacko]

Exactly. He worries about people being intimidated by a flag, but he makes violent posts much more intimidating than anything involving Confederate symbols.

LV426: No Conservative can be allowed a voice after this shit.

LV426: They must be marginalized, and we must have a second Reconstruction to eliminate their political power.

26: DIE.

LV426: Seriously, fucking die.

LV426: I hope you overdose on opioids and I hope your family finds your rotten, bloated corpse.

LV426: Literally, Conservative militias and lawmakers threatened violence and showed up armed to occupy the state house in Oregon.

LV426: I say forget arresting them and dragging them to do their jobs; just fucking shoot on sight. They're terrorists and have made it clear they will hire brownshirts.

LV426: I say call their bluffs. Open fire. Kill 'em all. Conservatives have made it clear they would rather blow up the country than adhere to democratic norms. So give them what they want and fucking end them.

LV426: Instead of backing down, I think these governors and mayors and politicians should call their bluff and BLAST THEIR TRAITOROUS ASSES TO KINGDOM COME.

Wow. Seems like a very stable individual.

[LV426]

Any laws against intimidation that make it illegal to merely show a flag or monument would be struck down as unconstitutional for violating symbolic speech.

Well, the problem for you is that the EEOC already says using the phrase "go back to where you came from", which was a phrase you said yourself was conveyed in the message of that flag, is intimidating and unlawful.

So...square that circle.