No, my original argument on this thread is that Americans are not as worried about white supremacists as we are Sander's democratic socialism (which is not really socialism) whether we are for or against Sanders.
What the flag represents was a completely different thread. Nothing has to "merit" them waving that flag--it is their freedom to do so. As I proved in that debate by posting criminal statutes on intimidation that term only applies to an attempt to make a person take some action or stop them from taking some action.
Waving a flag others find offensive does not meet the elements of intimidation or any other crime. Only in a fascist state does a government attempt to prevent such acts. It is a type of intolerance a civil society does not need.
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TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
am I a white supremacist simply because i'm white?
I wouldn't give a damn. It's like someone calling me a cock sucker. It's simply two words put together to illicit a prescribed reaction...............nothing more. same as your flag...........I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
See, again, you speak from a position where you believe your perspective is the standard and the one that everyone should measure their standards by, and I challenge that because you've done nothing to earn that entitlement that your views are representative of Americans.
What a fucking entitled prick.
You don't speak for Americans. You only speak for yourself. And you don't even do a good job of that, since you contradict your own shitty arguments like saying the Confederate Flag teaches history, but then saying you don't know how white supremacists could have ever gotten the idea that flag represents their beliefs.
That lying contempt is what is the most reprehensible thing about you and why you're a sociopath; you expect me to believe you, who argued the flag has history, suddenly can't discern why white supremacists would think that flag represents their views? You expect me to believe that?
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TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
We both know the history behind the flag and why white supremacists are attracted to it--so it is a nonsense question.
As I proved before, intimidation is not protected by the 1st Amendment, but waving a flag is not intimidation. Mass murders, violence, or actual intimidation are a concern to all Americans, but these having nothing to do with flags. Free expression is not a crime and crimes have nothing to do with free expression.
Try to stick to the topic. Personal insults are a substitute for lack of knowledge or rational thought.
It's all the same issue, Flash.
What the flag represents is what we are specifically talking about.
Now, you say the flag has history that would be erased if it was banned or torn down, but then you also say you can't fathom from where racists ever got the idea that flag represented their views.
So which is it, Flash, does the flag have history or doesn't it?
Not if they're doing so to intimidate people, Flash. You don't think the flag is intimidating because you're not one of the people that flag targets for intimidation, and because it is impossible for you to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes, have to disingenuously retreat to this mantra about free expression while literally ignoring the people that flag targets because they don't conform to your narrow zone of comfort.Nothing has to "merit" them waving that flag--it is their freedom to do so.
You don't speak for Americans you refuse to listen to, and you refuse to listen to a lot of Americans.
It's not that it's "offensive" it's that the flag is a tool of oppression, which is why it was erected for decades across the country by white supremacists.Waving a flag others find offensive does not meet the elements of intimidation or any other crime.
Why would they erect those monuments and flags? What would be the reason? Why would they choose that flag?
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BULL-FUCKING-SHIT.
Here's what would happen; within an hour, you would get so disturbed and mad that you would take that anger out in a physical way, whether it was by tearing the flag down or attacking anyone who dared wave it. You'd whine and cry about how you're being made a victim of intimidation because everyone is celebrating the heritage of the flag that represents the murder of your family.
Not being affected by that means you're a sociopath.
So it's a no-win for you; you can't posture the flag doesn't bother you without acknowledging what the flag represents.
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TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
I don't pretend to speak for anybody but myself. However, I am right about the legal aspects of free speech and intimidation. You want to make up your own laws if somebody's speech offends you. On this, most of Americans would overwhelmingly agree with my statements. They are not my views, just correct legal and constitutional principles.
Nobody is being offended unless they choose to attend a march where people are waving those flags.
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TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
The flags represent that, and that's why those flags were erected during Jim Crow.
That's the history of the flag that you say you care about so much, while also saying you don't care about or know.
And of course, we have this:
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So why would Dylan Roof ever think that flag represented his beliefs and views?
When I die, turn me into a brick and use me to cave in the skull of a fascist
TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
TTQ64 (02-27-2020)
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