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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie Bro View Post
    I've read it and I have no clue what he's talking about.
    Such as intentionally bombing Korean civilians in the war against the Korean people, or the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948, murdering a million communists in Indonesia under the orders of the CIA, or in modern times forcibly starving Venezualans to punish them for failing to act as a colony of the imperial power. How easily wet convince ourselves to do evil things.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie Bro View Post
    I am a communist and Marxist leninist.
    No; you're a fucking moron.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Me too. An iconic book.

    Gulag archipelago is a slog to read, it is a veritable tome of a book. But it is required reading anyone who claims be an knowledgeable about Soviet communism, the Great Terror, and the GULAG. That means rightwing message board dunces basically know nothing of substance about the Soviet Union. One really can't learn about the Soviet Union by listening to Limbaugh and watching Fox. The way to learn about the Soviet Union is to read the great Russian authors of the Soviet era, to read the dissidents, and to actually talk to people who lived it.
    In my opinion, the author's note on the inside cover of Gulag Archipelago is one of the most striking and extraordinary epigraphs ever printed on a book cover.

    Author's Note:

    For years I have with reluctant heart withheld from publication this already completed book: my obligation to those still living outweighed my obligation to the dead. But now that State Security has seized the book anyway, I have no alternative but to publish it immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Posters who don't know anything about Solzhenitsyn, about his literature, about his life, posters who never put more than ten nanoseconds of thought into him prior to this thread, have no standing to proclaim what this complex and complicated man knew, thought, and felt.

    Americans from Reagan to William Buckley assumed Solzhenitsyn was the perfect Cold War pawn, one who could be held out as an anti-communist and pro-western ally in the the asymmetric propaganda struggle of the cold war era.

    The fact is Solzhenitsyn was hostile to communism -- but he was equally hostile to capitalism. He was not a pro-western dupe.

    Solzhenitsyn thought capitalism was deeply immoral and ethically bankrupt,

    Solzhenitsyn thought the liberal democracies of the west were morally degenerate.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a Russian nationalist, a deeply religious theocrat, a spiritualist, and a Russian mystic. He was never a poster boy for capitalism, nor an ally or tool of propaganda for Trump boot-licking capitalists.



    Edit to add: It is curious that I just bumped one of my threads yesterday which prominently featured Solzhenitsyn. Are you seriously making an effort to lurk everything I do, and more importantly why don't you get your own ideas for interesting topics rather than pilfering ideas from me.
    You're truly one of the most arrogant people I've ever encountered, if you look at the date, shit for brains, you'd see that I posted two days ago. Kindly fuck off and die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Posters who don't know anything about Solzhenitsyn, about his literature, about his life, posters who never put more than ten nanoseconds of thought into him prior to this thread, have no standing to proclaim what this complex and complicated man knew, thought, and felt.

    Americans from Reagan to William Buckley assumed Solzhenitsyn was the perfect Cold War pawn, one who could be held out as an anti-communist and pro-western ally in the the asymmetric propaganda struggle of the cold war era.

    The fact is Solzhenitsyn was hostile to communism -- but he was equally hostile to capitalism. He was not a pro-western dupe.

    Solzhenitsyn thought capitalism was deeply immoral and ethically bankrupt,

    Solzhenitsyn thought the liberal democracies of the west were morally degenerate.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a Russian nationalist, a deeply religious theocrat, a spiritualist, and a Russian mystic. He was never a poster boy for capitalism, nor an ally or tool of propaganda for Trump boot-licking capitalists
    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    You're truly one of the most arrogant people I've ever encountered, if you look at the date, shit for brains, you'd see that I posted two days ago.

    Kindly fuck off and die!!!
    You don't give a rat's ass about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, his literature, his philosophy, his views on the human condition.

    You attempted to use a great Russian writer to bash lefties, and presumably by extension, Bernie Sanders.

    Solzhenitsyn despised communism and capitalism in nearly equal measure. He was a spiritualist who rejected the capitalist west, and valued a return to traditional Russian Orthodox Christian roots.

    Solzhenitsyn thought materialism, profit, and pursuit of wealth were despicable, and he would have found your Orange God morally repulsive.

    There is no point getting mad at me and having death fantasies. I am allowed to call you out when you cynically attempt to use a great Russian novelist you know nothing about to support your pro-Trumpist, anti-leftist agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You don't give a rat's ass about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, his literature, his philosophy, his views on the human condition.

    You attempted to use a great Russian writer to bash lefties, and presumably by extension, Bernie Sanders.

    Solzhenitsyn despised communism and capitalism in nearly equal measure. He was a spiritualist who rejected the capitalist west, and valued a return to traditional Russian Orthodox Christian roots.

    Solzhenitsyn thought materialism, profit, and pursuit of wealth were despicable, and he would have found your Orange God morally repulsive.

    There is no point getting mad at me and having death fantasies. I am allowed to call you out when you cynically attempt to use a great Russian novelist you know nothing about to support your pro-Trumpist, anti-leftist agenda.
    So why did he end up living in the US then? I know a fair bit about him and I don't need a Russian arsehole with a penchant for rewriting history to 'educate' me. Sanders is a naive arsehole, he was exactly the type, termed by Lenin, as a useful idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    So why did he end living in the US then? I know a fair bit about him and I don't need a Russian arsehole with a penchant for rewriting history to 'educate' me. Sanders is a naive arsehole, he was exactly the type, termed by Lenin, as a useful idiot.
    He was exiled from the USSR and needed a place to live. He moved back to Mother Russia as soon as legally practical.

    American conservatives were sorely disappointed when they realized belatedly he was not going to be a poster child for capitalism and western values.

    I believe his rejection of capitalism and the West left rightwing American dupes aghast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    So why did he end living in the US then? I know a fair bit about him and I don't need a Russian arsehole with a penchant for rewriting history to 'educate' me. Sanders is a naive arsehole, he was exactly the type, termed by Lenin, as a useful idiot.
    He could have gone to many places including Canada, France, Germany, Scandinavia or the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I read this....



    It was quite good.

    And at around 150 pages +/- it's short enough for a casual read.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Da...van_Denisovich

    I recommend it for anyone who wants to sample Solzhenitsyn's work without committing to a thousand + page endeavor.
    I've read this one, as well. It IS quite good, and tells a realistic and a very grim story about life in a prison camp.

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    “Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.”

    ~ Antonio Gramsci
    (1891-1937) Italian Marxist theoretician and politician, “class warrior”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    So why did he end up living in the US then? I know a fair bit about him and I don't need a Russian arsehole with a penchant for rewriting history to 'educate' me. Sanders is a naive arsehole, he was exactly the type, termed by Lenin, as a useful idiot.
    You are literally angry at me for knowing more about Solzhenitsyn than you.

    You attempted to use Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn asa pawn and a poster boy to support your pro-Trumpist, anti-leftists bias.

    Since you choose to attempt to use a prominent Russian you know very little about as your pawn, you should have known you would run the risk someone might know more about Solzhenitsyn than you.

    Solzhenitsyn did not come to the West because he was enamored with capitalism, nor did he worship at the alters of the capitalist free markets.

    He came here because he was exiled from his homeland by the government of the USSR.

    I personally think Solzhenitsyn used his sojourn to the west to try to make connections with the Russian diaspora. Solzhenitsyn once asked to meet my cousin Nikita and talk to him, and apparently it was because Solzhenitsyn naively thought there still existed a viable White Russian movement in the diaspora; that these imaginary White Russians represented a true alternative to Soviet communism. That they could be cultivated to be a replacement to communism.
    According to what my cousin told me about his meeting, Solzhenitsyn actually had a romantic and unrealistic vision of returning to a ‘lost” traditional Christian Orthodox Russia he imagined would be cultivated by residual Russian White movement in the diaspora.

    My cousin Nikita told him that there was no such remaining White Russian movement in the diaspora.

    But the bottom line is that Solzhenitsyn never, ever, under any circumstances viewed western capitalism and materialism as a model to follow. He was, in a sense, a religious mystic, who imagined a lost Orthodox Christian Russia which would be morally superior to both capitalism and communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You are literally angry at me for knowing more about Solzhenitsyn than you.

    You attempted to use Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn asa pawn and a poster boy to support your pro-Trumpist, anti-leftists bias.

    Since you choose to attempt to use a prominent Russian you know very little about as your pawn, you should have known you would run the risk someone might know more about Solzhenitsyn than you.

    Solzhenitsyn did not come to the West because he was enamored with capitalism, nor did he worship at the alters of the capitalist free markets.

    He came here because he was exiled from his homeland by the government of the USSR.

    I personally think Solzhenitsyn used his sojourn to the west to try to make connections with the Russian diaspora. Solzhenitsyn once asked to meet my cousin Nikita and talk to him, and apparently it was because Solzhenitsyn naively thought there still existed a viable White Russian movement in the diaspora; that these imaginary White Russians represented a true alternative to Soviet communism. That they could be cultivated to be a replacement to communism.
    According to what my cousin told me about his meeting, Solzhenitsyn actually had a romantic and unrealistic vision of returning to a ‘lost” traditional Christian Orthodox Russia he imagined would be cultivated by residual Russian White movement in the diaspora.

    My cousin Nikita told him that there was no such remaining White Russian movement in the diaspora.

    But the bottom line is that Solzhenitsyn never, ever, under any circumstances viewed western capitalism and materialism as a model to follow. He was, in a sense, a religious mystic, who imagined a lost Orthodox Christian Russia which would be morally superior to both capitalism and communism.
    There is nothing that you've said so far that I didn't know already, apart from your cousin, fictional or otherwise. He warned about the dangers of Communism and profound words they are indeed. I have also posted this quote, do you have a cousin who knew Gramsci as well?


    “Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.”

    ~ Antonio Gramsci
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    I am wondering just how well known this story is and how close the world came to an abrupt end?

    The night the world almost almost ended


    https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p07y7....link.facebook

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    There is nothing that you've said so far that I didn't know already, apart from your cousin, fictional or otherwise. He warned about the dangers of Communism and profound words they are indeed. I have also posted this quote, do you have a cousin who knew Gramsci as well?


    “Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.”

    ~ Antonio Gramsci
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    You will have to explain to me what the point is of lying on an obscure message board to people one has never met. That seems to be something you are attuned to and expert in.

    Now, running quickly to Google to cherry pick a Solzhenitsy quote and rushing back here with it does not cut the mustard to characterize this complex and complicated man.

    I have not had to use Google one single time to write my thoughts about Solzhenitsyn.

    Three seconds before you created this thread, you obviously were vastly uninformed about Solzhenitsyn the man, his literature, his philosophy, and his views on capitalism.

    Since you are not knowledgeable in the least about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, it is a waste of my time to educate you or engage with you about it.


    I leave you to wallow in your petty resentments, you tepid insults, and your lingering hate fetishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You will have to explain to me what the point is of lying on an obscure message board to people one has never met. That seems to be something you are attuned to and expert in.

    Now, running quickly to Google to cherry pick a Solzhenitsy quote and rushing back here with it does not cut the mustard to characterize this complex and complicated man.

    I have not had to use Google one single time to write my thoughts about Solzhenitsyn.

    Three seconds before you created this thread, you obviously were vastly uninformed about Solzhenitsyn the man, his literature, his philosophy, and his views on capitalism.

    Since you are not knowledgeable in the least about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, it is a waste of my time to educate you or engage with you about it.


    I leave you to wallow in your petty resentments, you tepid insults, and your lingering hate fetishes.
    Again this piss poor excuse for a human being is incapable of posting in anyone other than the first person. So back to the trenches then, it works for me. I doubt if you can even kick a football.


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