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    Default President Trump’s Choice —— The Logan Act Or Treason

    A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

    President Trump should have chosen:


    (Article II, Section 4)


    The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

    not the Logan Act:

    Thursday on Fox News Channel’s “America’s Newsroom,” former Secretary of State John Kerry reacted to President Donald Trump accusing him and Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) of violating the Logan Act after Murphy said he had recently met with Iran Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.

    In a tweet earlier in the day, Trump said the two “grossly violated the Logan Act,” noting there would be “very serious ramifications” if it had been done by Republicans.


    Donald J. Trump

    John Kerry and Senator Chris Murphy grossly violated the Logan Act with respect to Iran. If a Republican did what they did, there would be very serious ramifications!

    10:29 AM - Feb 20, 2020

    Kerry called it “another presidential lie”


    “That is once again another presidential lie, a complete effort by the president to distort reality,” Kerry told host Ed Henry.

    He added, “If [Trump] knew anything about the law, he’d know I didn’t negotiate with anybody. I did what every senator and secretaries of state in history have done, which is continue to go to conferences abroad or have meetings in order to be well-informed. We engaged in no negotiation.”

    Kerry then called on Trump to “focus” on his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

    “[W]hat he ought to do is focus on somebody called Rudy Giuliani who’s been out there engaged in very direct negotiations in an effort to try to do a subterfuge foreign policy,” he stated.

    John Kerry: Trump’s Logan Act Accusation a ‘Presidential Lie’
    by Trent Baker
    20 Feb 2020

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020...sidential-lie/

    Kerry knows he can lie like hell because he has nothing to fear from a 220 year old law:

    The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) . . .

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    Only two people have ever been indicted on charges of violating the Act, one in 1802 and the other in 1852. Neither was convicted of violating the Act.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act


    John Kerry Admits to Meeting With Iran About Nuclear Deal, Lawmakers Accuse Him of Violating Logan Act
    Cortney O'Brien
    Posted: Sep 12, 2018 4:00 PM

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...-deal-n2518338

    Whether or not Kerry is telling the truth his treason is another matter:


    Similarly, WND reported, Kerry was accused of conducting unauthorized diplomacy in 1970 in Paris with Vietnamese communist leaders.

    Then a private citizen, Kerry met with Madame Binh, the top Viet Cong negotiator to the Paris Peace talks in which Henry Kissinger represented the United States. The following July he held a press conference calling on President Nixon to accept Binh’s peace proposal in which the United States essentially would surrender.

    Forget the Logan Act. There is no statute of limitations on treason. Kerry can still be tried for treason.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...12#post2957512

    Treason is a death penalty offense crime. Should a few young Americans read about unpunished treason committed in a long ago war I can only pray that John Kerry’s part in bringing defeat to his own country is included. Of all the Vietnam War traitors Kerry rose to the highest levels. Convicting Kerry of treason after all of these years will do more to heal the wounds inflicted on this country by American Communists than will putting Hillary Clinton in jail for her crimes:


    In the 1970's, he testified against his fellow Vietnam War veterans before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He charged that they were violating the Geneva Conventions every day in Vietnam. Some POWs were outraged at Kerry's disloyal statements. They said they had been tortured by their Communist captors trying to force them to make such untrue statements.

    Worse, Kerry went to Paris in 1971. There, he met with North Vietnamese Communists. We need to see all his notes from those meetings. Any negotiation between a private U.S. citizen and a foreign power is illegal. It violates the Logan Act of 1798. Did Kerry demand of the North Vietnamese Communists that they abide by the Geneva Convention? Or is that only a demand he made of his fellow Americans?

    We do not charge Kerry with treason in the statements and actions he engaged in then. Treason consists of giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States. But this country has set a very high bar for conviction for treason -- ever since the Burr Treason Trial of 1807. Nonetheless, we do say Kerry's actions and statements then were not those to which America's top diplomat should be linked. What was he thinking?


    December 22, 2012
    Question John Kerry Long and Hard!
    By Ken Blackwell and Bob Morrison

    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._and_hard.html


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    . . . Kerry himself acknowledged that his visit to Paris was “on the borderline” of legality. Actually, it extended far beyond that “borderline.” A federal law known as the Uniform Code of Military Justice prescribed severe punishment (including, in some cases, the death penalty) for any person who “without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly.”

    During the ensuing months, Kerry, with increasing stridency, continued to exhort the U.S. to accept the Viet Cong peace proposals. His radical VVAW comrades went so far as to sign a “People’s Peace Treaty,” whose nine points were all extracted from a list of Viet Cong conditions for ending the war. Kerry fully supported this treaty.

    On April 22, 1971, Kerry famously testified to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations that many U.S. servicemen in Vietnam had “personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war …” “We learned the meaning of free fire zones,” added Kerry. “Shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of Orientals.” Moreover, Kerry emphasized that America's “war crimes” in Southeast Asia were “not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.”

    Army reports that were unearthed decades later resoundingly discredited the claims of Kerry and his fellow VVAW members, proving those claims to be essentially a pack of lies. When Kerry was running for U.S. President in 2004, the publication U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted that Kerry’s 1971 Senate testimony had “occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons.” Similarly, retired General George S. Patton III charged that Kerry’s actions had given “aid and comfort to the enemy.” And the organization Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry stated:

    “As a national leader of VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed unnecessarily or in vain.... Under Kerry’s leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the Viet Cong enemy.”


    John Kerry: Obama’s “Perfect Choice” For Secretary of State
    December 22, 2012 By John Perazzo

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/170...e-john-perazzo


    There is little chance John Kerry will do a day in jail over Iran. If Kerry does go to jail Obama goes with him.



    Kerry has always been an arrogant and aloof man. During his long career on Capitol Hill, Senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle described him as the least-liked senator, an opinion repeatedly affirmed by his own office staff during his long career. He is disdainful of democracy. Simply put, he sees himself as above the law, deserving of privilege and special dispensation not only when he is in government, but also as a private citizen.


    John Kerry deserves jail for secret Iran diplomacy
    by Michael Rubin
    September 13, 2018 11:31 AM

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...iran-diplomacy

    Kerry should be disdainful of democracy. The problem with Kerry’s arrogance is that he betrays his country for something worse than democracy—— a one government world administered by the United Nations.

    NOTE: Treason is a crime during peacetime (undeclared war) as well as a crime in a declared war.

    It is shameful that nobody will make it right for all the men who died in Vietnam after John Kerry et al. prolonged the war long enough to bring defeat to their own country:

    You cannot put an ideology on trial in a criminal court, but Socialists/Communists can be put on trial for their greatest political victory. DEFEATING THIS COUNTRY IN VIETNAM.

    The charge should be murdering thousands of American military personnel. It is shameful that nobody ever made it right for all the men who died in Vietnam after John Kerry et al. prolonged the war long enough to bring defeat to this country:

    Next to the Vietnam Wall, we need a John Kerry/Fonda Wall of Shame listing those who prominently blasphemed the Vietnam GI. And let’s add the names of every member of Congress who voted in December 1974 to betray our allies and leave them to be slaughtered by an evil, vicious enemy.


    'Beyond shameful': Don't fall for this deceitful Vietnam flick
    Posted By Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady On 11/01/2017 @ 7:24 pm

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?114136-Call-Socialists-Parasites-Or-Traitors&p=2917187#post2917187




    John Kerry never misses a trick:

    US and Cuba no longer 'prisoners of history', says John Kerry – video

    John Kerry praises the restoration of diplomatic relations between the US and Cuba as the American flag is once again flown over the US embassy in Havana. Presiding over the flag-raising ceremony on Friday, the US secretary of state says the two countries are no longer ‘prisoners of history’, and calls Cuba a ‘neighbour’ of the United States, rather than an enemy or rival

    US embassy in Cuba formally reopens: 'A day for pushing aside old barriers'
    Tom McCarthy in New York
    Fri 14 Aug 2015 13.47 EDT

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rmally-reopens


    Opening the U.S. Embassy was Kerry’s reward to Cuba for its contribution to the Vietnam War:


    The death of communist tyrant Fidel Castro has yielded much-deserved coverage of the monstrous nature of his tyrannical rule.

    What has gone virtually unreported, however, is the direct and instrumental role Castro played in the torture and murder of American POWs in Vietnam during the Vietnam War. The story of Castro’s atrocities against American soldiers in this conflict is rarely ever told, least of all by our mainstream media.

    During the Vietnam War, Castro sent a gang of his henchmen to run the “Cuban Program” at the Cu Loc POW camp in Hanoi, which became known as “the Zoo.” As Stuart Rochester and Frederick Kiley have documented in their book Honor Bound in a chapter entitled “The Zoo, 1967–1969: The Cuban Program and Other Atrocities,” one of the primary objectives of this “program” was to determine how much physical and psychological agony a human being could withstand.

    Castro selected American POWs as his guinea pigs. A Cuban nicknamed “Fidel,” the main torturer at the Zoo, initiated his own personal reign of terror. He was described in documents based on POW debriefings as “a professional who was trained in psychology and prison control in Russia or Europe.”

    Among Fidel’s torture techniques were beatings and whippings over every part of his victims’ bodies, without remission.

    Former POW John Hubbell describes the horrifying ordeal of Lt. Col. Earl Cobeil, an F-105 pilot, as Fidel forced him into the cell of fellow POW Col. Jack Bomar:

    The man [Cobeil] could barely walk; he shuffled slowly, painfully. His clothes were torn to shreds. He was bleeding everywhere, terribly swollen, and a dirty, yellowish black and purple from head to toe. The man’s head was down; he made no attempt to look at anyone. . . . He stood unmoving, his head down. Fidel smashed a fist into the man’s face, driving him against the wall. Then he was brought to the center of the room and made to get down onto his knees. Screaming in rage, Fidel took a length of black rubber hose from a guard and lashed it as hard as he could into the man’s face. The prisoner did not react; he did not cry out or even blink an eye. His failure to react seemed to fuel Fidel’s rage and again he whipped the rubber hose across the man’s face. . . . Again and again and again, a dozen times, Fidel smashed the man’s face with the hose. Not once did the fearsome abuse elicit the slightest response from the prisoner. . . . His body was ripped and torn everywhere; hell cuffs appeared almost to have severed the wrists, strap marks still wound around the arms all the way to the shoulders, slivers of bamboo were embedded in the bloodied shins and there were what appeared to be tread marks from the hose across the chest, back, and legs.

    Earl Cobeil died as a result of Fidel’s torture.

    Maj. James Kasler was another of Fidel’s victims, although he survived the torture:

    He [Fidel] deprived Kasler of water, wired his thumbs together, and flogged him until his “buttocks, lower back, and legs hung in shreds.” During one barbaric stretch he turned Cedric [another torturer] loose for three days with a rubber whip. . . . the PW [POW] was in a semi-coma and bleeding profusely with a ruptured eardrum, fractured rib, his face swollen and teeth broken so that he could not open his mouth, and his leg re-injured from attackers repeatedly kicking it.

    Castro’s reign of terror against American POWs in Vietnam was just another grotesque reflection of the communist dictator’s barbarism and sadism. After the end of the war, U.S. investigators launched a manhunt for the Cuban program torturers. In the midst of their hunt, investigators cataloged over 2,000 Cubans who were in North Vietnam during the late 1960s. Unfortunately, officials failed to positively identify the torturers at “the Zoo” at that time.

    Today, some evidence suggests that some of the Cuban Program torturers may be living in the United States. The investigations and pursuits of these monsters continues – and it is never too late, we may hope, with Donald Trump entering office, to bring them to justice. But it will require intense effort on our part. It is the least we can do for Lt. Col. Earl Cobeil, and for all those who shared his torment and pain at the hands of Fidel and his communist monsters.


    Castro’s Torture of American POWs in Vietnam
    September 25, 2018
    Jamie Glazov

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271...m-jamie-glazov

    Had the gigolo been sent to prison for life where he belonged —— before he became a senator —— he would not have his wife’s money to play with:


    In 1969, John Kerry accused the U.S. military of terrorism and war crimes in Vietnam. In 2003, Kerry described the U.S. military in Iraq as terrorists.

    This week, Kerry appeared on CNN's The Lead with Jake Tapper to peddle his new book, Every Day Is Extra. Kerry took time off from trying to undermine U.S. policy toward Iran and playing with his yacht to inform us that Teddy Kennedy, also known as Teddy the Swimmer, "owned up" to Chappaquiddick:

    He stood up and owned moments where he knew he'd stepped over the line, so I think that – and he wasn't about to be nominated to a lifetime position, in fact, he said to the people of Massachusetts, if you think I shouldn't stay here, then, you know – he took those returns and then he was elected another six times.

    Leaving Mary Jo Kopechne in a submerged car to die, while Teddy waited about ten hours before reporting to the police, is known to Kerry as "stepping over the line." If you drive while intoxicated into a pond, leaving a woman in the car to die of asphyxiation, and wait ten hours to call the police, you should be charged with manslaughter, homicide by vehicle while intoxicated, driving under the influence, and other crimes. But Teddy pleaded guilty only to leaving the scene of an accident, with a suspended two-month jail sentence.

    Kerry said this in response to Tapper's comment:

    I've heard Ted Kennedy's name invoked in the last week or two and Bill Clinton's name invoked in the last week or two by conservatives saying Democrats ceded the moral high ground on a lot of these sexual assault and sexual harassment issues by standing by people like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy because of the good things in their view that they did.

    Kerry, smirking and smarmy as ever, sought to give the impression that Kennedy "owned the moments" while Kavanaugh has not "owned" the accusations. There is a simple reason why Kavanaugh has not "owned" the accusations: he is innocent. There is no dispute about Teddy's conduct and Clinton's conduct, but the Kavanaugh accusations are not credible because they are false.

    According to Kerry, Teddy showed courage by running for office and leaving it to the Massachusetts voters whether to elect him. If Teddy had any principles and morals, he would have withdrawn from public office. If Kerry had any principles and morals, he would shut up and go play with his yacht.


    October 4, 2018
    John Kerry: Chappaquiddick is okay because Ted Kennedy 'owned up' to it
    By J. Marsolo

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._up_to_it.html

    Finally, I only scratched the surface of Kerry’s participation in the global government crowd’s conspiracy to destroy this country’s independence, but I have to say that his opposing the war in Vietnam under the pretext of stopping an unjust war is his worst offense. In truth, Kerry & Company demonstrated against the war to prevent the U.S. military from defeating North Vietnam Communists. Kerry did not fight to end a war as he has been falsely claiming since he committed his first act of treason in Paris in 1971.


    p.s. Communist China was admitted to the U.N. in 1971.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    Treason is a death penalty offense crime. Should a few young Americans read about unpunished treason committed in a long ago war I can only pray that John Kerry’s part in bringing defeat to his own country is included. Of all the Vietnam War traitors Kerry rose to the highest levels. Convicting Kerry of treason after all of these years will do more to heal the wounds inflicted on this country by American Communists than will putting Hillary Clinton in jail for her crimes:
    Thanks to the Internet political discourse came a long way since John Kerry beat the rap for treason:

    A former CIA operative says officials such as former FBI Director James Comey and former CIA Director John Brennan should be given the death penalty for their roles in the Russia-collusion investigation because they are "traitors."

    "If they can prove that case and prosecute people like the James Comeys, and I think a guy like John Brennan, what I hope will happen is they will try to find whatever the most extreme form of punishment is that they can throw at these guys," Bryan Dean Wright said Saturday in an interview with Fox News.

    "I'd love to see the death penalty," he said. "And boy, oh boy, I tell you, if I could flip the switch myself, I’d do it. These men are traitors."

    Ex-CIA operative: Comey and Brennan should get death penalty
    By WND Staff
    Published May 4, 2020 at 12:02pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/ex-cia-o...death-penalty/
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Flanders apparently knows nothing about the Constitution or the Logan Act.

    He and Trump are barely afloat in the same boat.
    Russian trolls and their supporters go on Ignore, automatically: no second chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Flanders apparently knows nothing about the Constitution or the Logan Act.

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    you missed a great opportunity to show us your superior knowledge......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    The lot of them should be hung in a mass execution.

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    They've got him THIS TIME!!!!! I didn't realize that John Kerry can still tilt the Trump Cult. But for sure..... he's going to jail with Brennan, and Clapper, and Obama, and Holder, and Clinton, and.... and... and.... BECAUSE Q TOLD ME!!!!

    How stupid is the Trump Cult? It's sublime.

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    Once the elections are over and the Dems take power on Jan 20 next year, the arrests will begin.
    Russian trolls and their supporters go on Ignore, automatically: no second chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    The lot of them should be hung in a mass execution.
    To Dark Soul: As well as hanged.



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    UPDATING A TRAITOR


    If you're surprised that the former Obama secretary of state, now a member of the Biden administration, contacted one of our most hated enemies, Iran, and outed one of our closest allies, Israel, you don't know the traitorous John F. Kerry. This is a pattern of the smarter-than-you-and-I, haughty John Kerry (hat tip: Rush Limbaugh).


    Are you really surprised John Kerry sold out America, again?
    By Brent Smith
    Published April 30, 2021 at 7:21pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2021/04/really-s...-sold-america/

    Brent Smith added one more act of treason to Kerry’s list of many betrayals. I want to remind readers of one of Kerry’s most brutal act of treason:


    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    Opening the U.S. Embassy was Kerry’s reward to Cuba for its contribution to the Vietnam War:
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    I doubt very much if John Kerry will allow China Joe Biden to honor a Vietnam War hero who fought against everything those two traitors fought for politically way back when they were betraying the men and women in Vietnam:




    Decorated Vietnam War Veteran Appeals to Biden for Medal of Honor
    Jack Beyrer
    May 1, 2021 5:00 am

    https://freebeacon.com/biden-adminis...edal-of-honor/
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    The initial Biden administration response to the mass rallies for freedom that took place across Cuba on Sunday was a disgrace.


    Biden’s reaction to Cuban protests has been a disgrace
    By Jonathan S. Tobin
    July 12, 2021 | 2:53pm

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/12/bidens...en-a-disgrace/

    China Joe Biden could hardly disgrace his Senate sidekick:

    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    John Kerry praises the restoration of diplomatic relations between the US and Cuba as the American flag is once again flown over the US embassy in Havana. Presiding over the flag-raising ceremony on Friday, the US secretary of state says the two countries are no longer ‘prisoners of history’, and calls Cuba a ‘neighbour’ of the United States, rather than an enemy or rival

    US embassy in Cuba formally reopens: 'A day for pushing aside old barriers'
    Tom McCarthy in New York
    Fri 14 Aug 2015 13.47 EDT

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rmally-reopens


    Opening the U.S. Embassy was Kerry’s reward to Cuba for its contribution to the Vietnam War:

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    Castro’s Torture of American POWs in Vietnam
    September 25, 2018
    Jamie Glazov

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271...m-jamie-glazov
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Flanders apparently knows nothing about the Constitution or the Logan Act.

    He and Trump are barely afloat in the same boat.
    Flanders deploys extensive cruelty towards his? readers.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    China Joe Biden could hardly disgrace his Senate sidekick:
    Another sidekick heard from:


    “You want to help? Repost the unedited streams coming from the Cuban youth on the island. They are calling for Liberty and an end to Communism,” Miami-based musician Eloy Escagedo replied to Sanders.

    “As a Cuban, I can tell you the US Embargo have to stay in place until the Castro/DiazCanel dictatorship is out of Cuba,” someone named May also tweeted him.


    Bernie Sanders blames US sanctions for Cuban protests while AOC silent
    By Lee Brown
    July 13, 2021 | 9:17am

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/13/bernie...uban-protests/

    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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