PoliTalker (02-25-2020)
What exactly is wrong with pointing out the good things these countries did? If someone says the Nazis were right for popularizing anti-smoking advertisements, it doesn't make that person a Nazi.
Bernie recently clarified that he condemns Castro's Authoritarianism policies, including locking people up for criticizing his policies. He just liked some of the social policies.
Again, to compare that to Trump, he doesn't do that. Instead, he'll talk about how great Putin is for being a "tough guy." The implication there is that Putin locking up reporters makes him an alpha-male or some stupid shit like that. The difference is that Bernie likes some of what these people did despite their Authoritarianism, whereas Trump likes these guys because of their Authoritarianism.
PoliTalker (02-25-2020)
PoliTalker (02-25-2020)
That's debatable. I don't think a program to increase literacy or provide everyone with healthcare is Authoritarian. I'd hope most people would agree with that, even if they don't think we should have such programs.
When Bernie starts saying he likes Castro because he was a tough guy, I'll be worried.
PoliTalker (02-25-2020)
Americans, for a number of reasons, mean by 'socialism' normal intervention by the capitalist State to keep its working mugs alive and (comparively) contented, i.e. normal capitalism. Socialism is not about its manoeuvres but about removing it.
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The point about Russian interference is to create division -so they support both Trumpf AND a decent person.
Last edited by Iolo/Penderyn; 02-25-2020 at 08:19 AM.
Hello Woko Haram,
Then you should have no problem using the terms Democratic Socialism and Socialism interchangeably. And you would be wrong to do so.
I see a huge difference. In Socialism, the government controls the means of production. In Democratic Socialism the people and their representatives vote on how to handle each segment of the economy, whether it should be run by government or by private industry, or a balanced combination of the two.
That's a pretty fundamental difference.
Personally, I think the things that people need should be guaranteed by the government, and the things people want should be left to the free market.
A government which ensures that her people have security, food, housing, health care, transportation, energy, law enforcement and incarceration, basic retirement, and information, is a country which is bound to flourish.
A government which guarantees none of those things to the people, leaves it all up to the haphazard vagaries of the for-profit free market that serves those with the most capital, is bound to have extreme wealth inequality, homeless vagrants, rampant disease, pollution, danger, cruelty, no strategic planning for the near or distant future, no studies of new social threats from industry, and social unrest.
That's just basic logic.
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Phantasmal (02-25-2020)
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