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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,

    The polls favored the other candidate. Everyone was surprised when DT won, none more so than DT.
    But that isn’t evidence Russia changed the election outcome lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Bernie did a very ignorant thing on Twitter, he’s biting the very hands he needs to win an election, those he calls establishment Democrats. I always wonder why he runs as a Democrat if he hates the party, absolutely makes no sense to me.
    When FDR is considered a non-Democrat, then Bernie is no longer to be considered one either. The current Democratic party abandoned its Progressive roots while Bernie remained true to the ideology. The current party is scrambling to save their Republican-lite corporate owned status quo and cushy jobs and perks. Screw 'em all. Bernie has always caucused with the Dem party and if it were not for him, no one would have been talking about Medicare for all or 15.00 minimum wage. Bernie is the ONLY true Democrat left. Thank goodness this new crop of Progressive Dems is infiltrating the party and following Bernie's lead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "DO," that is a lame argument, one we see often, but too generalized to be relevant

    How does one measure how TV political advertising changed one vote, effected the outcome? How does a key endorsement change one vote, effected the outcome? How does a gym rally change one vote, effect the outcome?

    We all know those variables, plus an array of others, do have an effect on the outcome of an election, but how does one accurately measure such? Same with Russian meddling
    You’re making my ‘lame argument’ for me.

    Whatever influence the Russians had on the election—it was lost in the noise. It’s impossible to quantify. As much as Mullet would have liked to, he didn’t even try. It’s a fool’s errand.

    So, the left is basically *guessing/wishing* that Putin won the election for Trump. It’s utter nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Cinnabar,



    Their strategy is so simple it cannot be hidden.

    Get Bernie nominated, help him all the way to that point.

    Then turn on him in the general election and sink him by hanging the S-word around his neck like an anchor.

    Nobody in the mushy middle who thinks we have to choose between capitalism and socialism, thinks that socialism is like a disease that once it gets started will destroy the country, (like the fictional capitalist horror thriller Atlas Shrugged, where socialism destroys everything,) and fears the S-Word like the corona virus, None of those people are going to vote for Bernie.

    Bernie does have a few things going for him. He has drastically improved his standing with black people. And he has a near-religious following among the young. The young vote has often been courted, and is potentially overwhelming in numbers, but no candidate has ever been able to mobilize the young enough to get them to turn out in great enough numbers to make that the winning difference. Can Bernie do it?

    He's got a lot against him in the general. 1. The Russian interference will be all pro-DT by then. 2. He has failed to properly court and address the religious vote. That has been a huge mistake. 3. The lingering fear of the S-Word.

    Perhaps this year the Super Delegates may turn out to be a good thing. If we think trading one powerful billionaire for another is an acceptable compromise... Who knows at this point?
    Sorry, but people are wizening up and looking at the policies not the Socialist label. No one is drawing the energy and crowds that Senator Sanders has and with good reason. No one cares about the label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "DO," that is a lame argument, one we see often, but too generalized to be relevant

    How does one measure how TV political advertising changed one vote, effected the outcome? How does a key endorsement change one vote, effected the outcome? How does a gym rally change one vote, effect the outcome?

    We all know those variables, plus an array of others, do have an effect on the outcome of an election, but how does one accurately measure such? Same with Russian meddling
    yes there is no empiracle measurement.
    The best way to look at it though is background "noise" only effecting social media and only a small percentage of ads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    When FDR is considered a non-Democrat, then Bernie is no longer to be considered one either. The current Democratic party abandoned its Progressive roots while Bernie remained true to the ideology. The current party is scrambling to save their Republican-lite corporate owned status quo and cushy jobs and perks. Screw 'em all. Bernie has always caucused with the Dem party and if it were not for him, no one would have been talking about Medicare for all or 15.00 minimum wage. Bernie is the ONLY true Democrat left. Thank goodness this new crop of Progressive Dems is infiltrating the party and following Bernie's lead.
    I don’t believe that, Democrats have always fought for a working wage and affordable healthcare. Bernie can’t win without the Democratic base. It’s a big mistake to alienate them, he also can’t without the Independent vote. Big mistake

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    Hello archives,

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "DO," that is a lame argument, one we see often, but too generalized to be relevant

    How does one measure how TV political advertising changed one vote, effected the outcome? How does a key endorsement change one vote, effected the outcome? How does a gym rally change one vote, effect the outcome?

    We all know those variables, plus an array of others, do have an effect on the outcome of an election, but how does one accurately measure such? Same with Russian meddling
    I'll tell you how we know. We believe somebody who has never lied to us.

    Jimmy Carter said so. And Jimmy Carter is old and wise.

    DT got elected with Russian help. He is an illegitimate president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello archives,



    I'll tell you how we know. We believe somebody who has never lied to us.

    Jimmy Carter said so. And Jimmy Carter is old and wise.

    DT got elected with Russian help. He is an illegitimate president.
    No, he is your legitimate president and will be so again after November.

    Remember Rosenstein: “No Vote Counts or Election Results Were Changed.”

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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    But that isn’t evidence Russia changed the election outcome lol.
    Yes, actually it is. But not enough for someone who refuses to believe anything that goes against DT.

    It is most certainly evidence. What it is not is irrefutable evidence. His supporters can be predictably expected to refute that evidence as unconvincing.

    And, you know those who believe one lie, will quickly find themselves adding lie on top of lie.

    Then you have people claiming the polls are meaningless. Another little lie.

    It's all very absurd, you know.

    It's not impressive to watch.

    I must say. It gives the rest of us pause to see that.

    There is a lot of head shaking going on. Rolling of the eyes. Painful compassionate looks exchanged. What has been done is not good for America.

    America is hated and laughed at. We are doing nothing as the world burns and threatens our future. Good people are fired and/or investigated. The crooks are set free. The world seems upside down to we, the good people, who are alarmed and astonished at the brazen attacks on basic sensibilities. And the hatred. Where does the hatred come from? We want a peaceful, productive, safe, free world where everyone flourishes. We want to be civil. We want to be civilized. We want everyone to share in the beauty of this vision. We want everyone to have a reason to be happy. We have not given up on that and gotten selfish like the right.

    We have to get rid of this nemesis. We will calmly explain why your support for him is wrong, and why it is imperative that you rethink your philosophy and perception of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    No, he is your legitimate president and will be so again after November.

    Remember Rosenstein: “No Vote Counts or Election Results Were Changed.”
    Trump is the first in history to be elected based on Russian propaganda.

    He won because the Russians used a misinformation campaign to exploit the stupidity of conservatives and install the candidate that would be the most beneficial to them and detrimental to America.

    And that is exactly what they got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,



    Yes, actually it is. But not enough for someone who refuses to believe anything that goes against DT.

    It is most certainly evidence. What it is not is irrefutable evidence. His supporters can be predictably expected to refute that evidence as unconvincing.

    And, you know those who believe one lie, will quickly find themselves adding lie on top of lie.

    Then you have people claiming the polls are meaningless. Another little lie.

    It's all very absurd, you know.

    It's not impressive to watch.

    I must say. It gives the rest of us pause to see that.

    There is a lot of head shaking going on. Rolling of the eyes. Painful compassionate looks exchanged. What has been done is not good for America.

    America is hated and laughed at. We are doing nothing as the world burns and threatens our future. Good people are fired and/or investigated. The crooks are set free. The world seems upside down to we, the good people, who are alarmed and astonished at the brazen attacks on basic sensibilities. And the hatred. Where does the hatred come from? We want a peaceful, productive, safe, free world where everyone flourishes. We want to be civil. We want to be civilized. We want everyone to share in the beauty of this vision. We want everyone to have a reason to be happy. We have not given up on that and gotten selfish like the right.

    We have to get rid of this nemesis. We will calmly explain why your support for him is wrong, and why it is imperative that you rethink your philosophy and perception of things.
    Well, my perception is that I’m in a quandary lol.

    If I am to believe the Russians are responsible for Trump’s election—how do I know I’m not believing a lie, since there’s no hard evidence for the claim?

    What you have is what’s called a ‘supposition’. You *suppose* since the Russians meddled in favor of Trump [supposing the evidence for that is irrefutable—note how the suppositions are compounding] then—it follows—that if it weren’t the Russians, Hillary would be president.

    I’ll take that claim with a hefty grain of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    No, he is your legitimate president and will be so again after November.

    Remember Rosenstein: “No Vote Counts or Election Results Were Changed.”
    They accept Mullet’s conclusions except when they don’t lol.
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    You’re making my ‘lame argument’ for me.

    Whatever influence the Russians had on the election—it was lost in the noise. It’s impossible to quantify. As much as Mullet would have liked to, he didn’t even try. It’s a fool’s errand.

    So, the left is basically *guessing/wishing* that Putin won the election for Trump. It’s utter nonsense.
    It's only 'lost in the noise' because you want it to be. That's one little lie. And that sets the stage for the next level. Then it's not too much of a stretch to go from there to: "It’s utter nonsense. " And there you have little white lie on top of little white lie. Neither of those things are facts. They are what you choose to believe. Progressives do not choose to go there. Our sensibilities prevent that.

    Jimmy Carter is right. DT got helped by the Russians, the polls where right, it threw the election in favor of DT. He is an illegitimate president. He doesn't belong. The polls did not lie. There was nothing wrong with the polls. The whole 'The polls were wrong' thing is just another white lie that his supporters have to tell themselves.

    The rest of us are not buying it.

    This presidency is all built on lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,



    It's only 'lost in the noise' because you want it to be. That's one little lie. And that sets the stage for the next level. Then it's not too much of a stretch to go from there to: "It’s utter nonsense. " And there you have little white lie on top of little white lie. Neither of those things are facts. They are what you choose to believe. Progressives do not choose to go there. Our sensibilities prevent that.

    Jimmy Carter is right. DT got helped by the Russians, the polls where right, it threw the election in favor of DT. He is an illegitimate president. He doesn't belong. The polls did not lie. There was nothing wrong with the polls. The whole 'The polls were wrong' thing is just another white lie that his supporters have to tell themselves.

    The rest of us are not buying it.

    This presidency is all built on lies.
    It’s lost in the noise because *it is* lol.

    You don’t even have an appeal to authority on this. Mullet reported that no votes were changed and the election result wasn’t changed by Russian influence.

    Which is only logical, because there are myriad factors which can influence an election outcome.
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    Hello Cinnabar,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Sorry, but people are wizening up and looking at the policies not the Socialist label. No one is drawing the energy and crowds that Senator Sanders has and with good reason. No one cares about the label.
    Nobody young who is supporter cares about the label.

    Older people who have been told their whole lives that socialism is horrible and you lose your freedom and get told what to do like communism, those people are afraid of Bernie because they believe all those old myths about socialism. And Bernie has been very clear to distinguish himself from the old myth by calling his platform one of 'Democratic Socialism.' I totally agree with it. He is on the right track. It all makes sense to me.

    But it doesn't make sense to the mushy middle. They are afraid of the S-word. Bernie's opponents are not going to give him the respect of granting him his own version of it. They have to turn it into a straw man they can more easily tear to pieces. They are going to drop the 'Democratic' part and just call him a socialist. 'A self-avowed socialist,' (as if he is insane to admit it.) Fear is a great motivator. In their view, you are asking them to elect Karl Marx.

    Bernie's challenge is to motivate enough young people to overcome the hateful fearful older ones. That's a pretty big challenge, too. Nobody has ever gotten elected president by motivating the young to come out in sufficient enough numbers to overwhelm the old. Old people are more motivated to vote. They are wiser. They have had a whole lifetime to learn and observe. They see the bigger picture. They are familiar with lots of things the young have not seen. They are far more reliable voters. Bernie has a big uphill battle ahead of him. And he can pretty much count on not getting any super delegates. He will have to win the primaries by a huge margin, enough so that no other candidate could be put over his count if they have all the super delegates. That's probably the only way Bernie is getting in.
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