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[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

I think it’s more what the democrats are doing to themselves.

Odds are good the democrats are going to nominate an actual socialist for president.

Bernie has not endorsed anything more socialist that what FDR proposed. Bernie is the modern day FDR, one of our greatest presidents.

And the clarification needs to be made between socialism and Democratic Socialism.

There is a difference there the Republicans stupidly choose to overlook.

[PoliTalker]

Hello archives,

It is only "crossing the Rubicon" to those with a 20th Century Cold War understanding of socialism, as Bernie continues more people were realize he is not talking gulags, nationalizing industries, or taking over the factors of production, rather making Gov't work for people and not special interests

Like FDR.

[Earl]

Hello Darth,



Bernie has not endorsed anything more socialist that what FDR proposed. Bernie is the modern day FDR, one of our greatest presidents.

And the clarification needs to be made between socialism and Democratic Socialism.

There is a difference there the Republicans stupidly choose to overlook.

Lol. “Bernie is the modern day FDR.’
Bernie is a stone, bloody Socialist and couldn’t carry FDR’s briefcase.

There is no bloody Socialism light.

Would you care to see how Americans feel about bloody Socialism?

[cawacko]

But Trump is no fundamental transformer lol.

His policies are pretty run of the mill conservative: strong military, tax cuts, secure border, emphasis on strong economy etc. Those are things republicans have been trying to get done since Reagan. The only thing ‘radical’ is Trump, himself. He’s a unique politician. Hopefully, when he’s gone republicans will have learned how to fight from him.

If Bernie becomes the leader of the Democrat Party [not a given btw] they will have transformed into a radical party that wants to radically change our economy.

No question the corporate tax reform, deregulation, conservative judges and increased military spending are straight out of the traditional Republican playbook.

Where he has changed the party is on several fronts. Trade is one. Republicans have never been monolithic on this issue but generally speaking the party has been for free trade. Clearly that has changed now. Remains to be seen what we do once Trump leaves office. Immigration is the other and I don't mean illegals. Reagan and Bush to a degree always spoke of America as the greatest place on Earth and encourage those from all over the world to come here. We now have people pushing to reduce legal immigration and while Trump flip flops on that sometimes he has backed it. The last one is character. None of these a*hole politicians are perfect. We hold them up on a pedestal but at the end of the day they are still people. But we (Republicans) used to give lip service to character mattering and now we've thrown that out the window.

So we'll see what happens. I'm sure we'll all be here to discuss it.

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

Bernie is trying to fundamentally alter the American economy. It's not some benign "working for the people not special interest" soundbite.

'Working for the people not special interest' is exactly what Bernie is doing.

That has angered the special interests, who have predictably trotted out their most emotional propaganda.

The question is: Do we want an America that works for the people?

Or one that works for the greediest billionaires.

[Earl]

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is rising in the polls among Democrats, but questions about his electability against President Trump persist because he self-identifies as a democratic socialist.

A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll backs up the idea that the label could hurt him.

Asked about their impression of socialism, 28% of adults said they have a favorable view, while 58% said they had an unfavorable one.

Poll: Sanders Leads The Field, Bloomberg Qualifies For His 1st Debate
ELECTIONS
Poll: Sanders Leads The Field, Bloomberg Qualifies For His 1st Debate
If socialism is so unpopular with Americans, how can Sanders be on the rise in the Democratic primary? Because Democrats and, more specifically, progressives view socialism favorably. Half of Democrats said so, while more than two-thirds of progressives did.

Just 23% of independents, though, and 7% of Republicans viewed socialism favorably.“
npr.org

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



The Republican party survives thanks to gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts.

An a big helping of pure propaganda, truth denial.

But hey. Congrats are in order for the most astonishingly brazen propaganda out there.

Republican propaganda:

'The media is the enemy of the people.

'There are actual facts and 'alternative facts.' We are free to choose which to believe. Reality is what you believe, not what actually exists.'

'No amount of lying is a bad thing because the other side has been caught in a few lies.'

If Democrats do something bad, it is a very bad thing for America. But the good part is that makes it OK for Republicans to do the very same thing, and now it's perfectly OK. What could possibly be better for Republicans? A Democrat does something, say Senator Al Franken gets caught in a photo of him goofing around and pretending to fondle a sleeping reporter (but not actually touching her,) and he is forced to resign. No charges even filed. A Republican presidential candidate is shown in a Hollywood Access video boasting about how he can have his groping way with women, including have intercourse, because: "When you're a big star they let you," and Republicans proceed to elect him. Total double standard on morality.

Propaganda, gerrymandering, voter suppression are the only things keeping the Republican party from being overwhelmed by demographic numbers. That's a fact. And the joke is on the American people.

I know, Republicans have never actually "won" an election in the past 50 years. It's all cheating although somehow the uneducated redneck hillbilly's can figure out how to vote while educated liberals can't.

[PoliTalker]

Hello domer 76,

By an illiterate dumbfuck?

And you think this is a great argument for progressive policies?

This just makes it look like you can't think of anything better to say than insults.

And I know that's not true.

[Earl]

Hello cawacko,



'Working for the people not special interest' is exactly what Bernie is doing.

That has angered the special interests, who have predictably trotted out their most emotional propaganda.

The question is: Do we want an America that works for the people?

Or one that works for the greediest billionaires.

The old Socialist and fanatic, Bernie, has been in Congress for 100 years, what exactly has he done for the working people of America?

He has enriched himself under Capitalism (3 homes and a net worth of 3 million dollars) and now wants to destroy the very system that enriched him...Capitalism.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth

But Trump is no fundamental transformer lol.

His policies are pretty run of the mill conservative: strong military, tax cuts, secure border, emphasis on strong economy etc. Those are things republicans have been trying to get done since Reagan. The only thing ‘radical’ is Trump, himself. He’s a unique politician. Hopefully, when he’s gone republicans will have learned how to fight from him.

If Bernie becomes the leader of the Democrat Party [not a given btw] they will have transformed into a radical party that wants to radically change our economy.

Yeah, change our economy into one that works for most people instead of primarily for the few who are well off.

Extreme wealth inequality hurts us. We have to stop ignoring this if we want a truly vibrant America.

Half of America is not in the stock market. Over half of stocks are owned by the super-rich. Half of America is left out of a soaring stock market, and most of the rest is left behind by the few. That is not working very well for most of America.

And Republicans are ignoring the debt.

[Earl]

I know, Republicans have never actually "won" an election in the past 50 years. It's all cheating although somehow the uneducated redneck hillbilly's can figure out how to vote while educated liberals can't.

Indeed.

[archives]

No question the corporate tax reform, deregulation, conservative judges and increased military spending are straight out of the traditional Republican playbook.

Where he has changed the party is on several fronts. Trade is one. Republicans have never been monolithic on this issue but generally speaking the party has been for free trade. Clearly that has changed now. Remains to be seen what we do once Trump leaves office. Immigration is the other and I don't mean illegals. Reagan and Bush to a degree always spoke of America as the greatest place on Earth and encourage those from all over the world to come here. We now have people pushing to reduce legal immigration and while Trump flip flops on that sometimes he has backed it. The last one is character. None of these a*hole politicians are perfect. We hold them up on a pedestal but at the end of the day they are still people. But we (Republicans) used to give lip service to character mattering and now we've thrown that out the window.

So we'll see what happens. I'm sure we'll all be here to discuss it.

I'd be careful with deregulation, a good deal of what you call deregulation is actually the loss of consumer protection, i.e., stalling on fidiciary rules, ending some class action lawsuits, slacking environmental concerns, loss of comsumer security, etc

You left out family values, once a banner for conservatism; concern over deficits and debt, which we were told was a core conservative principle; judicial restraint, again, a consistent theme of Republican thought; weak Federal Gov't/Executive power, supposedly central to right thinking; and others of lesser extent

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



'Working for the people not special interest' is exactly what Bernie is doing.

That has angered the special interests, who have predictably trotted out their most emotional propaganda.

The question is: Do we want an America that works for the people?

Or one that works for the greediest billionaires.

Dude, 'do we want an economy for the people or the billionaires' is just political rhetoric aimed at emotion.

[Earl]

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- ‘Sixty-one percent of Americans say they are better off than they were three years ago, a higher percentage than in prior election years when an incumbent president was running. In the 1992, 1996 and 2004 election cycles, exactly half said they were better off. In three separate measures during the 2012 election cycle, an average of 45% said they were better off.”
news.gallup.com

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

I know, Republicans have never actually "won" an election in the past 50 years. It's all cheating although somehow the uneducated redneck hillbilly's can figure out how to vote while educated liberals can't.

-rolling eyes-

Layin it on a little thick, there.