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    It’s hard to imagine a Democrat less able to win working class votes.

    This should be a happy time for former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Right now, his ads are drowning the airwaves in the 14 states that will vote on Super Tuesday, March 3, while in most of those states, the campaigns of his non-billionaire opponents for the Democrats’ presidential nod have barely begun.

    As the campaign rolls on, however, Democratic voters will learn more about Bloomberg’s actual record. The mass incarceration in black and brown communities that resulted from police practices he put in place as mayor; the pre-emptive arrests he authorized of people who sought to protest the 2004 Republican convention in New York (for which the city had to pay hefty fines for false arrests); his defense of Wall Street bankers in the wake of the 2008 financial panic (he termed the fines levied against banks for misconduct “outrageous”)—these are just some of the many Bloomberg policies and positions that should give Democrats pause.

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    I think the citizen consensus is he will bomb at tonite's debate. But the leftist media gods luv him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    if its him Ill vote for him


    anything but trump

    hell Id vote for Bernie over trump

    Same here, even Bernie too!

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    Democrats on the board keep talking about how they'll vote for anyone but Trump, which is a fair position, but how many of you haven't voted for the Democratic Presidential candidate in the past? I'm asking in the context that if you vote Democratic every Presidential election already then the proclamation doesn't mean all that much. Now if you've either sat out an election or voted third party in the past and are now saying you'll vote for the Dem candidate regardless then that has a different meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post
    It’s hard to imagine a Democrat less able to win working class votes.

    This should be a happy time for former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Right now, his ads are drowning the airwaves in the 14 states that will vote on Super Tuesday, March 3, while in most of those states, the campaigns of his non-billionaire opponents for the Democrats’ presidential nod have barely begun.

    As the campaign rolls on, however, Democratic voters will learn more about Bloomberg’s actual record. The mass incarceration in black and brown communities that resulted from police practices he put in place as mayor; the pre-emptive arrests he authorized of people who sought to protest the 2004 Republican convention in New York (for which the city had to pay hefty fines for false arrests); his defense of Wall Street bankers in the wake of the 2008 financial panic (he termed the fines levied against banks for misconduct “outrageous”)—these are just some of the many Bloomberg policies and positions that should give Democrats pause.

    https://prospect.org/politics/why-bl...ot-beat-trump/


    Bloomberg is a Republican who changed parties for convenience sake and who just happens to support gun control and environmental issues. He supported Dubya twice and his support for a republican candidate incidentally gave enough votes to confirm Kavanaugh.
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    Working class loves Trump. Like with minorities he has done more for them than dems ever have.
    When you dont care which boat get lifted that rising tide lifts them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    if its him Ill vote for him


    anything but trump


    hell Id vote for Bernie over trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Democrats on the board keep talking about how they'll vote for anyone but Trump, which is a fair position, but how many of you haven't voted for the Democratic Presidential candidate in the past? I'm asking in the context that if you vote Democratic every Presidential election already then the proclamation doesn't mean all that much. Now if you've either sat out an election or voted third party in the past and are now saying you'll vote for the Dem candidate regardless then that has a different meaning.
    I live in a solid Red State, so my vote for a Democrat would be meaningless. I usually vote Third Party so my vote counts for something (like getting them Federal funding).
    This time around, I will vote for the Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Democrats on the board keep talking about how they'll vote for anyone but Trump, which is a fair position, but how many of you haven't voted for the Democratic Presidential candidate in the past? I'm asking in the context that if you vote Democratic every Presidential election already then the proclamation doesn't mean all that much. Now if you've either sat out an election or voted third party in the past and are now saying you'll vote for the Dem candidate regardless then that has a different meaning.
    Good observation, but was not 2016 a "I'm voting for anybody but .............?"

    With Trump, 2020 will not be about issues, again, it will be personalities, and who can portray the other guy as the worse of two choices, so Trump being the incumbent, the "anybody but Trump" candidate appeals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Working class loves Trump. Like with minorities he has done more for them than dems ever have.
    When you dont care which boat get lifted that rising tide lifts them all.
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    Not true, Trump propaganda, the "working class" have steadily improved since 2011, Trump had little to do with it, and based on favorability numbers, it appears the majority of Americans view it occurring in spite of Trump and not because of Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Democrats on the board keep talking about how they'll vote for anyone but Trump, which is a fair position, but how many of you haven't voted for the Democratic Presidential candidate in the past? I'm asking in the context that if you vote Democratic every Presidential election already then the proclamation doesn't mean all that much. Now if you've either sat out an election or voted third party in the past and are now saying you'll vote for the Dem candidate regardless then that has a different meaning.
    most of them have voted republican in the past....now they are too embarrassed to say they will vote republcian.

    it's why they want a moderate republican democrat to keep the status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Good observation, but was not 2016 a "I'm voting for anybody but .............?"

    With Trump, 2020 will not be about issues, again, it will be personalities, and who can portray the other guy as the worse of two choices, so Trump being the incumbent, the "anybody but Trump" candidate appeals
    Stating the obvious if the exact same people vote the exact same way in 2020 that they did in 2016 then the results will be the same. So if you (anyone) votes Democratic every Presidential election your vote still counts but it's not moving the needle. What moves the needle obviously are people who didn't vote previously who now to decide to vote, people who voted previously but now change who they vote for, or people who voted previously and now decide not to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Stating the obvious if the exact same people vote the exact same way in 2020 that they did in 2016 then the results will be the same. So if you (anyone) votes Democratic every Presidential election your vote still counts but it's not moving the needle. What moves the needle obviously are people who didn't vote previously who now to decide to vote, people who voted previously but now change who they vote for, or people who voted previously and now decide not to vote.
    I think everyone agrees that we need higher turnout and participation; where people disagree is over how to achieve that.

    I believe that you don't achieve higher turnout and participation by playing it safe, moderate, or centrist.

    Moderate, by definition is not enthusiasm or excitement.

    So if you are serious about increasing turnout, you have to figure out how to motivate the 95 million people who didn't vote in 2016. I suspect that you get them motivated by backing and supporting big, ambitious ideas. Offer them something to vote for like free public colleges, student debt forgiveness, and medicare for all. The more non-voters you can motivate to vote for those things, the less important it becomes to attract centrists or voters of bad faith who only seek accommodation and aren't serious about helping anyone other than themselves.

    It's just math at this point.

    65 million people voted for Clinton, 62 million voted for Trump...95 million didn't vote at all.

    So you could replace 1 moderate voter with 1.5 non-voters, and increase turnout to levels that nullify gerrymandering and the electoral college.

    And really, isn't turnout so high that it renders those things moot kinda the point anyway?

    How is Bloomberg going to motivate any of the 95 million people who didn't vote in 2016?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    most of them have voted republican in the past....now they are too embarrassed to say they will vote republcian.

    it's why they want a moderate republican democrat to keep the status quo.
    You got that right.
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