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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Yeah......THE PEOPLE spoke loud and clear with an Electoral College landslide in 2016.....as over 63 million citizens appointed TRUMP to clean house in DC, its estimated that number will be well over 65 Million in 2020. The poor and ignorant also have a voice thanks to the logistics of living in a Representative Constitutional Republic that allows even the small voices to be heard over the loud mouthed voice of the criminal elitists. Until the Constitution is done away...….it takes the voice of the people to appointee a President of the United States, not a committee of self righteous leftists. The deep state has lost the power of the press as its corruptness has been exposed....the curtain drawn back. The PEOPLE will never be put back to sleep....the press will no longer hold the power to appoint politicians of their choosing.

    There is a new information highway....the truth can be found just a thumb click away. Mr. and Mrs. Anonymous no longer have a bullhorn to sway public opinion.
    To elect a senile bully is hardly helping the mugs much, is it - and don't tell me he controls capitalism: nobody does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    To elect a senile bully is hardly helping the mugs much, is it - and don't tell me he controls capitalism: nobody does.
    A strawman argument from a leftist? Who'd a thunk it? Just WHO THE HELL is arguing about capitalism? Why deflect with an argument that was never tabled? Its an indoctrinated trait of all leftists. When you can't defend one argument with any logical and reasoned response....its time to SAVE THE FACE IN THE MIRROR with another argument never tabled in the first place.

    Since you started this strawman ablaze......its FREEDOM that controls all aspects of capitalism. Capitalism can only work where liberty exists. Socialism can only exist where liberty is retarded. No one forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market. People freely choose to purchase services and products that make their lives better....if that service or product does not work, the people freely choose to stop purchasing a product or service that does not work.....unlike products such as Obama Care that are forced upon everyone via the power of the state under threat of fine and or imprisonment.

    Socialism and liberty cannot co-exist. Charity is not a state issue......charity comes from the heart of the individual....freely, without thought of recompense. Its not charity when you are forced to support your neighbor who is a healthy well bodied person that simply refuses to engage in the economic system. 10% is Good enough for God....its good enough for Government charity. There should be a 10% cap on all taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    There is a new information highway....the truth can be found just a thumb click away.
    A lot of lies can be found there, too; and the folks you are talking about often can't tell the difference. That's the fundamental reason why many were taken in by a lying ignoramus who promised to "drain the swamp" and instead is making his own.

    America does not need a "mob boss". It needs a President who is public-spirited, competent and relatively honest. It hasn't got one by a hell of a long way.

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    Compared to those qualities, left/right is a secondary issue to most people who are not ideologues.
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    Trump to pardon Benedict Arnold?


    Haw, haw, haw....haw............................haw.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    "He never got a tria!, not many people know that. It was a witch hunt!"

    Also in line for pardons are John Wilkes Booth ("The Deep Confederacy set him up - he thought he was shooting Jeff Davis!") and Jack the Ripper ("First I gotta figure out who he was, could take me a couple of hours, then make him a posthumorous citizen. Unless he was American, I guess.")

    More news of swamp draining ...

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/andy-m...ik-blagojevich
    and Timmy McViegh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    A lot of lies can be found there, too; and the folks you are talking about often can't tell the difference. That's the fundamental reason why many were taken in by a lying ignoramus who promised to "drain the swamp" and instead is making his own.

    America does not need a "mob boss". It needs a President who is public-spirited, competent and relatively honest. It hasn't got one by a hell of a long way.

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    Compared to those qualities, left/right is a secondary issue to most people who are not ideologues.
    Another strawman? Now you are arguing that "you" and other SMARTER THAN OTHERS must help the masses decide what it true and what is not?

    That's why TRUMP was elected in the first place, that's why people have gone to the web for their news.....its THEY THAT GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT....they are tired of smart asses telling them what to believe and what not to believe. Freedom exists only when one is allowed CRTITICAL INDEPENDENT THOUGHT. No one needs a propagandist TALKING HEAD to make the NEWS itself....the news. Its easy enough to simply go to the source of any supposed news story, without some elitist telling you what you are viewing instead of just presenting the actual news.

    You want to know the truth about JOBS and the real state of the economic UNION? Go directly to the source.....THE US GOVERNMENT, not CNN, NBC, or a opinionated web site such as this.

    Do you assume that "I" simply come here to argue? No....before I retort to anyone...…..I KNOW THE FACTS, I KNOW WHERE THOSE FACTS CAN BE DOCUMENTED...that's exactly why PROGAGANDA cannot defeat TRUTH.....propaganda can only be subjectively SUGGESTED void of any documentation (or at best....fake charts and speed sheets that omit important vital stats in order to direct attention to a certain view point.

    The truth can only be determined when all the evidence is weighed and measured. Propaganda is bullshit talk....and strawman arguments....nothing else.

    An example of propaganda vs. TRUTH? The left and especially Obama is suggesting that the economy is only "vibrant" and growing with average higher low to middle income wages (wages have grown by 3% under Trump)….because HE spent over 800 Billion US TAXPAYER DOLLARS on a plan to stimulate the economy.

    Easy enough to prove IF TRUE. Just document in detail where every dollar of that 800 Billion stimulus went.....SHOW every JOB on main st. created by that money.

    Present the accountability audit...down to the penny of just where that money went.


    I will wait for you to go the government sources and DOCUMENT that expenditure and how it created all these new manufacturing high paying jobs that are visible today. PROCEED. Where are those SHOVEL READY JOBS?

    Lay the spread sheet on us and show us the colligation. You cannot provide this vital information.....because the money was wasted, with a great majority of it going directly back into the coffers of the ones that created the REAL ESTATE BUBBLE in the first place...…..the BIG BANKING FAMILIES, with some ending up (after being laundered) into the personal bank accounts of certain politicians.

    Once again we find JOE BIDEN as the point man in supposedly keeping track of HOW dollars where to be dolled out. SHOW us evidence of him documenting how the money was spent....and how that stimulated JOB CREATION on main st. as promised. What....it just took 8 years to kick in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    that's why people have gone to the web for their news.....its THEY THAT GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT....
    Are you serious? You think TRUTH is decided by MAJORITY VOTE?


    OK, you seem to be interested in employment figures. Take a vote on this:

    Number of full-time employees in the U.S. 1990 - 2019

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

    [It's a graph which I can't copy here, sorry.]

    You can see the 2008 recession and the recovery which took 4-5 years; but can you spot where the stable genius took over?

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    Hello evince,

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Maybe he will pardon that guy who sent bombs to Democratic members
    Don't give him any ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Are you serious? You think TRUTH is decided by MAJORITY VOTE?


    OK, you seem to be interested in employment figures. Take a vote on this:

    Number of full-time employees in the U.S. 1990 - 2019

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

    [It's a graph which I can't copy here, sorry.]

    You can see the 2008 recession and the recovery which took 4-5 years; but can you spot where the stable genius took over?
    OK "CORKIE".....so a 5 year child water head can understand it...…...Remember what Mark Twain said bout NUMBERS? Figures don't lie but LIARS sure as hell figure? That spread sheet.....why only FULL TIME JOBS? What are the part time seasonal jobs not used in determining the number of existing JOBS? Obama sure included those part time and underemployed (people taking jobs that were far below their previous employee wage scale) jobs when determining his unemployment rate. You present a chart pointing in the direction that suits your strawman argument.....when the real state of the UNION is determined via LABOR PARTICIPATION. When you use ALL the factors concerning LABOR you find an amazing truth. Under Obama indeed increased the Labor Participation rate ...with a slight twist...the jobs being created were by majority low skill, low wage jobs.

    You will find that participation had increased under OBAMA...... labor was increasing WITH FAMILIES "BELOW" THE AVERAGE INCOME SCALE and the labor participation rate was decreasing with families that had an ABOVE AVERAGE INCOME SCALE. Things that make you go.....hummmmmmmmmmmmm!!! All those shovel ready jobs turned out to be min. wage jobs that required both wife and husband to work to maintain a family....sometimes requiring the head of the household to maintain 2 part time jobs.

    Truth: This was by design. All the above average income jobs had been sent overseas to cheaper labor markets to nations such as China, Korea, etc, nations that have no concern about labor or child labor laws. Obama will always be remembered as the WELFARE KING.....why? Because his policies made it easier to make a living off welfare than having to work 2 min. wage or part time jobs …..welfare simply PAID MORE. The objective of the left is to always make people dependent upon GOVERNMENT.

    You want to see a chart? Look at the chart on welfare and the Obama years. Welfare increased by 41% under Obama. Simply show us a government source that proves different. Obama gutted the welfare reform acts of the 90s...and removed the work requirement restrictions.



    Seriously.....truth is decided upon determining the reasoned and logical facts in evidence. When there is not enough facts in evidence TRUTH is determined in a PRIMA FACIE manner or beyond the reason of any sane person to doubt otherwise.

    Example: You BITCHING about Trump using his executive authority in granting clemency to individuals that he feels have been unjustly sentenced. Reality: Trump has exercised this constitutional right of the executive branch less than 30 times......BHO used the pen to release over 1900 individuals some who had been convicted of TREASON.

    More reasoned truth: Why have you not provided a detailed accounting of how Obama used over 800 Billion dollars that belonged to the PEOPLE of the United States under the pretense of making SHOVEL READY JOBS? There is no such detailed accounting list. The left uses such as a personal slush fund just like they do the scam of not having to account for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of US TAXPAYER dollars that are earmarked as FOREIGN AID.

    More reasoned TRUTH? The money laundering kick back scam of TAX PAYER dollars is exactly why the LEFT has been attempting to remove Trump from office since day 1.....its never been about justice or the CONSTITUTION as feigned by the phony tuff asswipes on the left....ITS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT "CYA".....covering their own asses before they end up in an orange jump suits themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    A strawman argument from a leftist? Who'd a thunk it? Just WHO THE HELL is arguing about capitalism? Why deflect with an argument that was never tabled? Its an indoctrinated trait of all leftists. When you can't defend one argument with any logical and reasoned response....its time to SAVE THE FACE IN THE MIRROR with another argument never tabled in the first place.

    Since you started this strawman ablaze......its FREEDOM that controls all aspects of capitalism. Capitalism can only work where liberty exists. Socialism can only exist where liberty is retarded. No one forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market. People freely choose to purchase services and products that make their lives better....if that service or product does not work, the people freely choose to stop purchasing a product or service that does not work.....unlike products such as Obama Care that are forced upon everyone via the power of the state under threat of fine and or imprisonment.

    Socialism and liberty cannot co-exist. Charity is not a state issue......charity comes from the heart of the individual....freely, without thought of recompense. Its not charity when you are forced to support your neighbor who is a healthy well bodied person that simply refuses to engage in the economic system. 10% is Good enough for God....its good enough for Government charity. There should be a 10% cap on all taxes.
    Aren't all you parrots claiming that Trumpf is responsible for the fact that American capital is (just for the moment) working? What the rest of this silly shit is about I don't know. Therre is no freedom under capitalism, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    A strawman argument from a leftist? Who'd a thunk it? Just WHO THE HELL is arguing about capitalism? Why deflect with an argument that was never tabled? Its an indoctrinated trait of all leftists. When you can't defend one argument with any logical and reasoned response....its time to SAVE THE FACE IN THE MIRROR with another argument never tabled in the first place.

    Since you started this strawman ablaze......its FREEDOM that controls all aspects of capitalism. Capitalism can only work where liberty exists. Socialism can only exist where liberty is retarded. No one forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market. People freely choose to purchase services and products that make their lives better....if that service or product does not work, the people freely choose to stop purchasing a product or service that does not work.....unlike products such as Obama Care that are forced upon everyone via the power of the state under threat of fine and or imprisonment.

    Socialism and liberty cannot co-exist. Charity is not a state issue......charity comes from the heart of the individual....freely, without thought of recompense. Its not charity when you are forced to support your neighbor who is a healthy well bodied person that simply refuses to engage in the economic system. 10% is Good enough for God....its good enough for Government charity. There should be a 10% cap on all taxes.
    Indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Aren't all you parrots claiming that Trumpf is responsible for the fact that American capital is (just for the moment) working? What the rest of this silly shit is about I don't know.
    There’s an enormous amount that you don’t know, America hating pende*o.

    Perhaps that is why you come to an American forum everyday...to become less ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Aren't all you parrots claiming that Trumpf is responsible for the fact that American capital is (just for the moment) working? What the rest of this silly shit is about I don't know. Therre is no freedom under capitalism, obviously.
    Yeah......you don't KNOW why you just attempted to argue that BHO was responsible for bringing back the high wage industrial blue collar jobs for middle class American Citizens yet somehow also had to add over 41 Million US Citizens to the rolls of welfare because they could not support their families on the Jobs available during the Obama Administration?

    How about that? I agree...clearly you don't know.

    There is no freedom under capitalism? Who forces anyone to purchase anything in a free market? The only way capitalism can exist is by the free will purchases of goods and services. Just like you.....who forced you to purchase the piece of technology that you are now using to suggest that Subjective Ad Hominem Bullshit carries as much weight in determining truth as do the FACTS IN EVIDINCE? Did your neighbor purchase this communication device for you? Did Big Brother buy it for you? Well....I might stand corrected....if you are one of the countless millions of socialists living off the tit of Big Brother....you might just have a point.

    But more than likely (a subjective opinion) YOUR MOMMY purchased that piece of technology for you...as you have never had to work a day in your life as you go to school on your parents bank account....you waste your time in college seeking accolade from your peers who also have never had to work an honest day in their lives? Perhaps one day you will be tossed into the real world and realize...the world does not need any more experts in socialism but it needs WORKERS to tax.....you will one day MATURE and have a rebirth into the realm of reality.

    What then do you do when you RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY? You move in beside nations like Venezuela to enjoy all that socialist freedom......to starve.

    Idiots, children we have on the left with no capacity for critical independent thought

    Do you comprehend the reality of just what you are endorsing? A failed ideology that has never worked in the history of the world....SOCIALISM. The most evil political concept ever imagined by mankind. A political ideology that supposedly seeks SOCIAL JUSTICE but does not care to mention the documented fact that Socialism buried over 100 million human souls in shallow graves in the 20th century in its quest of a Social UTOPIA. Now that's a straw man argument worth burning.

    www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/
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