Guno צְבִי (02-23-2020)
Thanks, interesting knowledge. This concept puts Judaism at a higher level of morality, according to Kohlberg's stages, than the "I'll be good so I won't be eternally punished" morality of some faiths.
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wiki...evelopment.htm
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Guno צְבִי (02-23-2020)
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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ThatOwlWoman (02-23-2020)
Eternal hell is probably an immaculate conception of suicidal Christiananality pedophilia super egos for that fabricated misnomer immaculate conception in forgiveness; where, as the communism of Christianity national religion SCOTUS diatribe with immaculate drug conceptions thieving US Constitution arsonists have standing in a Christian interpretation of one nation under God just as their homicidal sociopsychopathilogical human farming killings in the name of Jesus "man is God" tautology of "it's only federal sin".
Guno צְבִי (02-23-2020)
Goes to reason if this Christiananality pepdophilia business concocted a fabricated misnomer immaculate Jesus conception to play "man is God" would also have created external hell to keep their pedophilia dhimmitude servitude cult superior; as that not so master race of WW II concentration camp Mengele "Angel of Death" baptize thine eyes by urinations prior to exterminations for pedophile sex slaves of the deceased & this Christian Nation of thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballots arsonists "every form of tyranny over the mind of man" communism of Christianity national religion.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
And atheism exists as a religion in itself, its called secular humanism. Seculars do not want to accept the responsibility of individual sin....so they pretend that SIN does not exist. Its not rocket science....All humans fear their own mortality as humanity is the only life on earth that has a concept of mortality and morality. There is no sin in the animal kingdom....and human seculars want to live like ANIMALS.
But the image that man is made in in relation to God is not a physical image but a SPIRTUAL IMAGE.....the spirit of man is eternal, it can't be measured, reproduced in a natural setting (void of conception within nature,that life is impossible to re-create, just as Love can't be defined....only lived.....the spiritual image of God is realized in a person or its not because of willful sin.
Its very easy to see and locate the secular humanist......they fear having to answer for their sins because of an inherit spirit that exists within everyone that defines and distinguishes between Good and Evil.
The reason that man lost his/her immortaity as a physical creature.....man sinned and retained the knowledge between good and evil just like GOD can distinguish between the two. The only method to find fellowship with the God of Creation is through spiritualism not ritualism....the spirit leads and the ritual follows as respect. When you attempt to enter the Kingdom of God through ritualism....you will fail, you can approach the throne of God only when your spirit is cleansed from the free will choice of accepting God's defined laws of morality. These common laws accepted all over the world did not come from the animal kingdom....they are transcendent from heaven, they are universal/celestial not terrestrial/earthly/natural....we must ascend to a higher spiritual calling to accept these codes of human conduct.
If you declare you do not fear death and what is unknown to you a confessed SINNER...….you are caught in perpetual loop of sin, the sin of lying holds the same reward as does the sin of murder. DEATH/SEPREATION of your spirit from the Kingdom of the Creator....eternally. Call it what you will.....it will be an eternity of living HELL in isolation from all that is good.
Atheism only exists until the time of one's death. Then all cry out ABBA...……………..there is no room for the phony tuff in the kingdom of God.
"Original sin" is a nifty idea to convince people that they are born dirty, filthy, and sinful and only by becoming Christian can they be "right" again -- hence the born-again nonsense that many evangelicals preach. I always thought that was a horrible and probably abusive thing to teach your kids -- that they're born awful flawed beings. No wonder legions of Catholics and other flavors of Christians grew up with self-esteem issues.
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Guno צְבִי (02-23-2020)
Original sin originates from Saint Augustine and is associated with the western Churches. Saint Augustine was not well known in the Christian east until well after the Middle Ages. Consequently, the theological position of the Eastern Orthodox Church is the humans today are not personally responsible and do not personally share the guilt of the original sin
Guno צְבִי (02-23-2020), ThatOwlWoman (02-23-2020)
That bimbo, That Owl Woman, might eat up what you're saying. But, where does the Talmud, the Jew's Satanic Bible, teach reincarnation until your sins are atoned?
Christianity doesn't teach any punishment for the wicked, other than death. The infinite suffering doctrine is almost exclusively held by biblically ignorant, low-IQ Christians, and so you know it's universally believed by Zionists.
Ape lives matter. Stop putting them in zoos. Boycott businesses that don't hire apes.
Then answered all the Jews, and said, Jesus' blood be on us, and on our children. So be it.
Jews want to turn America into an atheistic, amoral, socialist farmyard.
Thank you for that information
God made everything both good and the bad, God is all, nothing is outside of God
Isaiah
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
He (Satan) is clearly subordinate to God, a member of His suite (Heb. Bene ha-elokim), who is unable to act without his permission. Nowhere is he in any sense a rival of God. The Encyclopedia Judaica The Christian claim that it was Satan who created evil is utterly fraudulent according to our Tanach: I (God) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 God creates all things, not simply good things. There isn't a single verse in the entire Tanach that states that Satan ever created evil or ever disobeyed a command from God. Satan is an obedient servant of God in the Tanach who serves the role of man's accuser in God's court.
Creation of Temptation
God created the temptation to do evil partially to test our loyalty, and partially to improve us. That is why the word (Satan- שטן) in Hebrew literally means an adversary (Numbers 22:22) that comes to challenge us. We find this notion throughout the Book of Job, where God gives permission to the Satan to challenge the righteous Job. In fact, one of the most dramatic and powerful expressions of man’s struggle with God and his conscience involves Job and Satan. God had given Satan permission to afflict Job with all manner of hardships and misfortune. In turn, Job loses his family and possessions, and is stricken with boils and disease. As he sits in sheer agony, his close colleagues remark, “Your piety is your foolishness.” Even his wife chews him out, saying, "Are you still holding fast to your integrity? Curse God, and die." But Job tells them, "You speak as one who is despicable. Should we accept only the good from God and not also accept the evil?”(Job 2:9‑10)
Torah’s view of Satan in diametrically different than the Christian view. Christianity understands Satan to be a “fallen angel” who wants to seduce mankind to rebel against God.
The Jewish understanding of Satan is also found in the book Job, where Satan is portrayed as a force that only acts with God’s permission to test Job’s free choice.
Ultimately doing good or evil in our hands, as it says. “I have set before you, life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19). The real role of Satan is to challenge mankind, thereby providing us an opportunity to use our freedom of choice to make good and righteous decisions.
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“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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