Don’t tell the evangelicals...

[ThatOwlWoman]

From Jewish tradition, a different viewpoint emerges starting with the fact that there doesn't exist the concept of everlasting damnation and torture. The Almighty's justice is not served by punishing someone forever. Justice means the punishment fits the crime. Since we are finite and our sins are finite, then our punishment or atonement must be finite. To take it one step further, the very connection with wrongdoing is an act of connecting to that which is temporary, physical, devoid of Godliness. On the other hand, when you do a mitzvah, you become one with God who is eternal. Evil and bad by definition do not exist forever; therefore the atonement period for wrongdoing is a fixed period of time.

https://www.aish.com/jl/l/a/48971646.html

Thanks, interesting knowledge. This concept puts Judaism at a higher level of morality, according to Kohlberg's stages, than the "I'll be good so I won't be eternally punished" morality of some faiths.

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wiki...evelopment.htm

[Guno צְבִי]

Thanks, interesting knowledge. This concept puts Judaism at a higher level of morality, according to Kohlberg's stages, than the "I'll be good so I won't be eternally punished" morality of some faiths.

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wiki...evelopment.htm

in Judaism all people will share in the world to come, no profession of I believe or eternal hell

don't know where the xtians got that eternal hell from , was never part of Judaism as judaism never have the original sin thing

[saltydancin]

in Judaism all people will share in the world to come, no profession of I believe or eternal hell
don't know where the xtians got that eternal hell from , was never part of Judaism as judaism never have the original sin thing

Eternal hell is probably an immaculate conception of suicidal Christiananality pedophilia super egos for that fabricated misnomer immaculate conception in forgiveness; where, as the communism of Christianity national religion SCOTUS diatribe with immaculate drug conceptions thieving US Constitution arsonists have standing in a Christian interpretation of one nation under God just as their homicidal sociopsychopathilogical human farming killings in the name of Jesus "man is God" tautology of "it's only federal sin".

[saltydancin]

in Judaism all people will share in the world to come, no profession of I believe or eternal hell
don't know where the xtians got that eternal hell from , was never part of Judaism as judaism never have the original sin thing

Goes to reason if this Christiananality pepdophilia business concocted a fabricated misnomer immaculate Jesus conception to play "man is God" would also have created external hell to keep their pedophilia dhimmitude servitude cult superior; as that not so master race of WW II concentration camp Mengele "Angel of Death" baptize thine eyes by urinations prior to exterminations for pedophile sex slaves of the deceased & this Christian Nation of thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballots arsonists "every form of tyranny over the mind of man" communism of Christianity national religion.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

No, it doesn't make charity bad because some men use it in a criminal manner.

I totally agree with you there.

Even money from that charity went for some good causes (eventually).

Probably under court order.

Men misuse medicine, charity, construction, religion, law, education, social welfare services, etc., but that doesn't make those things evil.

I agree with you there.

You have said waste and fraud in government services occurs but is not a reason to end them.

Yes, I still believe that is true.

[Ralph]

And atheism exists as a religion in itself, its called secular humanism. Seculars do not want to accept the responsibility of individual sin....so they pretend that SIN does not exist. Its not rocket science....All humans fear their own mortality as humanity is the only life on earth that has a concept of mortality and morality. There is no sin in the animal kingdom....and human seculars want to live like ANIMALS.

But the image that man is made in in relation to God is not a physical image but a SPIRTUAL IMAGE.....the spirit of man is eternal, it can't be measured, reproduced in a natural setting (void of conception within nature,that life is impossible to re-create, just as Love can't be defined....only lived.....the spiritual image of God is realized in a person or its not because of willful sin.

Its very easy to see and locate the secular humanist......they fear having to answer for their sins because of an inherit spirit that exists within everyone that defines and distinguishes between Good and Evil.

The reason that man lost his/her immortaity as a physical creature.....man sinned and retained the knowledge between good and evil just like GOD can distinguish between the two. The only method to find fellowship with the God of Creation is through spiritualism not ritualism....the spirit leads and the ritual follows as respect. When you attempt to enter the Kingdom of God through ritualism....you will fail, you can approach the throne of God only when your spirit is cleansed from the free will choice of accepting God's defined laws of morality. These common laws accepted all over the world did not come from the animal kingdom....they are transcendent from heaven, they are universal/celestial not terrestrial/earthly/natural....we must ascend to a higher spiritual calling to accept these codes of human conduct.

If you declare you do not fear death and what is unknown to you a confessed SINNER...….you are caught in perpetual loop of sin, the sin of lying holds the same reward as does the sin of murder. DEATH/SEPREATION of your spirit from the Kingdom of the Creator....eternally. Call it what you will.....it will be an eternity of living HELL in isolation from all that is good.

Atheism only exists until the time of one's death. Then all cry out ABBA...……………..there is no room for the phony tuff in the kingdom of God.

[ThatOwlWoman]

in Judaism all people will share in the world to come, no profession of I believe or eternal hell

don't know where the xtians got that eternal hell from , was never part of Judaism as judaism never have the original sin thing

"Original sin" is a nifty idea to convince people that they are born dirty, filthy, and sinful and only by becoming Christian can they be "right" again -- hence the born-again nonsense that many evangelicals preach. I always thought that was a horrible and probably abusive thing to teach your kids -- that they're born awful flawed beings. No wonder legions of Catholics and other flavors of Christians grew up with self-esteem issues.

[Cypress]

in Judaism all people will share in the world to come, no profession of I believe or eternal hell

don't know where the xtians got that eternal hell from , was never part of Judaism as judaism never have the original sin thing

Original sin originates from Saint Augustine and is associated with the western Churches. Saint Augustine was not well known in the Christian east until well after the Middle Ages. Consequently, the theological position of the Eastern Orthodox Church is the humans today are not personally responsible and do not personally share the guilt of the original sin

[Bobb]

From Jewish tradition, a different viewpoint emerges starting with the fact that there doesn't exist the concept of everlasting damnation and torture. The Almighty's justice is not served by punishing someone forever. Justice means the punishment fits the crime. Since we are finite and our sins are finite, then our punishment or atonement must be finite. To take it one step further, the very connection with wrongdoing is an act of connecting to that which is temporary, physical, devoid of Godliness. On the other hand, when you do a mitzvah, you become one with God who is eternal. Evil and bad by definition do not exist forever; therefore the atonement period for wrongdoing is a fixed period of time.

That bimbo, That Owl Woman, might eat up what you're saying. But, where does the Talmud, the Jew's Satanic Bible, teach reincarnation until your sins are atoned?

Christianity doesn't teach any punishment for the wicked, other than death. The infinite suffering doctrine is almost exclusively held by biblically ignorant, low-IQ Christians, and so you know it's universally believed by Zionists.

[Mason Melchizedek]

Those Christians self anointed as higher than one nation under God in how Christian when the birth of the US Constitutions are sacrificed by thieving arsonists as Jesus was by pedophilia with forgiveness.....has little to do with Israel except when resorting as Mengele "Angel of Death" beliefs.

WTF does that word salad mean?

[Mason Melchizedek]

Ah. yes. That happened in your lifetime and it has affected you severely, I see. Of course, it's present day Christians who continue doing these things, right?

Many Nazis claimed to be Christians

[Mason Melchizedek]

God took the land away from the Jews in 70 AD for murdering Jesus. And, those who call themselves Jews today aren't the descendants of Israel. They only call themselves Jews out of solidarity with those who killed Jesus. Too bad you're a brainless fcktard who has no ability to process the points I've given you.

You don't understand!Jesus died for our sins!
I killed Jesus!
Thanks for coming out of the Antisemitic closet

[Mason Melchizedek]

God took the land away from the Jews in 70 AD for murdering Jesus. And, those who call themselves Jews today aren't the descendants of Israel. They only call themselves Jews out of solidarity with those who killed Jesus. Too bad you're a brainless fcktard who has no ability to process the points I've given you.

YHWH took it away in 70 ad,and gave it back in 1948,then gave back Jerusalem in 1967!

[Guno צְבִי]

Original sin originates from Saint Augustine and is associated with the western Churches. Saint Augustine was not well known in the Christian east until well after the Middle Ages. Consequently, the theological position of the Eastern Orthodox Church is the humans today are not personally responsible and do not personally share the guilt of the original sin

Thank you for that information

God made everything both good and the bad, God is all, nothing is outside of God

Isaiah
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

He (Satan) is clearly subordinate to God, a member of His suite (Heb. Bene ha-elokim), who is unable to act without his permission. Nowhere is he in any sense a rival of God. The Encyclopedia Judaica The Christian claim that it was Satan who created evil is utterly fraudulent according to our Tanach: I (God) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 God creates all things, not simply good things. There isn't a single verse in the entire Tanach that states that Satan ever created evil or ever disobeyed a command from God. Satan is an obedient servant of God in the Tanach who serves the role of man's accuser in God's court.
Creation of Temptation
God created the temptation to do evil partially to test our loyalty, and partially to improve us. That is why the word (Satan- שטן) in Hebrew literally means an adversary (Numbers 22:22) that comes to challenge us. We find this notion throughout the Book of Job, where God gives permission to the Satan to challenge the righteous Job. In fact, one of the most dramatic and powerful expressions of man’s struggle with God and his conscience involves Job and Satan. God had given Satan permission to afflict Job with all manner of hardships and misfortune. In turn, Job loses his family and possessions, and is stricken with boils and disease. As he sits in sheer agony, his close colleagues remark, “Your piety is your foolishness.” Even his wife chews him out, saying, "Are you still holding fast to your integrity? Curse God, and die." But Job tells them, "You speak as one who is despicable. Should we accept only the good from God and not also accept the evil?”(Job 2:9‑10)




Torah’s view of Satan in diametrically different than the Christian view. Christianity understands Satan to be a “fallen angel” who wants to seduce mankind to rebel against God.

The Jewish understanding of Satan is also found in the book Job, where Satan is portrayed as a force that only acts with God’s permission to test Job’s free choice.

Ultimately doing good or evil in our hands, as it says. “I have set before you, life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19). The real role of Satan is to challenge mankind, thereby providing us an opportunity to use our freedom of choice to make good and righteous decisions.

[Mason Melchizedek]

Biblical Israel was destroyed because it failed to live up to its covenant oath. Indeed Israel was "given" to the Jews by GOD....forever, under conditions of THE PROMISE. Those conditions are contained in the Holy Scriptures. Conditions that Biblical Israel failed to abide in.

Read the scriptures. God made promises to father Abraham. There were 3 major promises. 1. Land 2. A Nation 3. And Israel would be a blessing to all nations of the earth (Gen. 12:1-3, Gen. 15:18)

Some people claim all 3 of those promises are still in effect...because they were FOREVER....that is a major lack of comprehension of recorded scripture.

The scriptures teach that God lived up to His promise to father Abraham, because that is the nature of God, He keeps His word, He cannot lie. (Heb. 6:13-18)

The promise of giving land to Israel was fulfilled (Ex. 6:4-8) In the Book of Deut. God told the Israelites to enter and possess the land (Deut. 1:6-8) God fulfilled His promise (Jos. 11:23)

THE PROMISE was ACCOMPLISHED IN ITS ENTIRETY...there was nothing lacking on God's portion of the promise (Jos. 21:43-45)

The nation promise was fulfilled while the Israelites lived in Egypt under captivity. God had told Israel that is when the Nation promise would be realized (Gen. 46:3). The population of Israel increased greatly while in Egypt (Ex. 1:7) Their numbers became like Stars, just as God had promised (Deut. 1:9-11).

There remained but ONE PROMISE of the original 3 promises made to father Abraham by God.....for the nation of Israel to become a blessing to all the peoples of the world.....and that promise would come much later. That blessing came first to the Jews of Biblical Israel through Christ Jesus in the 1st century (Acts 3:24-26). Form there in 1st century Israel, that promise spread to all the nations of the world (Gal. 3:8-9, 13-16, 26-29).

BUT THAT IS WHERE MOST PEOPLE WISH TO END THE DETAILS OF THE PROMISE AND THE COVENANT MADE BETWEEN GOD AND THE NATION OF BIBICAL ISRAEL...THERE IS MORE, MUCH MORE TO THE DETAILED TRUTH FOUND IN SCRIPTURES.

God made other promises to Israel besides the Nation promise consisting of 3 parts. God promised Israel that He would destroy it if it failed in its part of the covenant and became disloyal to the God of Creation. (Lev. 26:27-29). They would be driven from the land (Deut. 4:25-28). They would cease to be a nation (Deut. 8:19-20)

And these things happened. Israel sinned greatly against God and in spite of God's longsuffering.....the Northern Tribes were removed from the Land of promise (2 Kings 17:7-18)

When the remaining tribe sinned it also was removed from the land. (2 Kings 23:26-27)

Yet...God was longsuffering.....God would allow for a portion of Israel to be restored to the land after 70 years of eviction.....but only IN PART.....Israel as a whole nation, with all tribal ID would never be totally restored again, JUST A REMNANT WOULD RETURN, like a broken potters jar pieced back together never as great as the original (Jer. 19:7-13)(Jer. 25:8-13) (Isa. 10:20-23).

God kept all His promises.....Israel was totally and completely wiped from the face of existence by the Roman Empire over 2000 years ago. The New Nation is but a counterfeit nation using the Name of Israel without God's blessings.

Biblical Israel exists today as a New Testament Covenant Nation...that nation, God's chosen....is Christianity. As clearly stated in Scripture.

"FOR YE ARE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. FOR AS MANY OF YOU HAS BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. THERE IS NEITHER GREEK NOR JEW; THERE IS NEITHER BOND NOR FREE; THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE; FOR YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S; THEN YOU ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM'S SEED; AND HEIR TO THE PROMISE." -- Gal 3:26-29

There is only 1 promise remaining of the original 3. The Land promised was fulfilled and broken by Israel....the Nation promise was fulfilled and broken by Israel. There remains only 1 promise......Christians as the SEED OF ABRHAM will become a blessing to ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The Jews were,are,always will be YHWH's Chosen People to tell his story thru.
The Age of the Gentiles is almost over!
Then Israel and the Jews go center stage!