Don’t tell the evangelicals...

[Jack]

I think Bobb would have some strong words for you about the Jews, here.

That's what's nice about a political forum, everyone gets to give an opinion.

[AProudLefty]

That's what's nice about a political forum, everyone gets to give an opinion.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone got them and most of them stink.

[Ralph]

Israel and Benjamin Netyanahu are strongly Pro-choice!

Of course they are. The majority of people calling themselves JEWS are not Orthodox Jews.....the majority have never seen the inside of a Temple. They are DEMOCRATS that take anything with the label FREE attached to it. The nation calling itself Israel has no tribal IDs, no Royal Priesthood, no King appointed by God....they are politicians sucking on the Tit of the United States as an Ally. Should we support that nation? Of course, its the closet thing to a free nation in that shit hole region of the world where they are surrounded in a sea of 14th century totalitarian despotism.

The enemy of my enemy.

Its always about politics and optics. What surprises you to learn that the majority of Jews could care less about the life of an infant inside the womb? THEY are democrats at heart.

Does it really surprise you that warmongering and child murdering is a democrat thing?

[Bobb]

Of course they are. The majority of people calling themselves JEWS are not Orthodox Jews.....the majority have never seen the inside of a Temple. They are DEMOCRATS that take anything with the label FREE attached to it. The nation calling itself Israel has no tribal IDs, no Royal Priesthood, no King appointed by God....they are politicians sucking on the Tit of the United States as an Ally. Should we support that nation? Of course, its the closet thing to a free nation in that shit hole region of the world where they are surrounded in a sea of 14th century totalitarian despotism.

The enemy of my enemy.

Its always about politics and optics. What surprises you to learn that the majority of Jews could care less about the life of an infant inside the womb? THEY are democrats at heart.

Does it really surprise you that warmongering and child murdering is a democrat thing?

The Jews, liberal to orthodox, agree that Israel has no theological legitimacy. Only the incredibly stupid and antichristian Evangelicals believe Israel has theological legitimacy. And, for Christians, the universal church itself is the theologically legitimate Israel. Unfortunately, morons, which includes Zionists, aren't affected by facts or logic.

[Jack]

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone got them and most of them stink.

[saltydancin]

Sorry, but slander consists of false statements meant to tarnish a reputation. The fact remains that over the last two millennia some Xtians have put to death thousands of people -- if not millions -- for rejecting their god. This is not false.
I know you wouldn't call it "hate" or "slander" when I point out that the same is true of some adherents of Islam, eh?

While danger to US Constitutions being stolen & burned in that Evangelical Christian tradition freedom of immaculate drug conceptions cross conditioning in fabricated misnomer immaculate conception for a national religion in noble & holy child sacrifice killings is an epitome in conservative liberty of the not so master race as law of the land.

[Mason Melchizedek]

The Jews, liberal to orthodox, agree that Israel has no theological legitimacy. Only the incredibly stupid and antichristian Evangelicals believe Israel has theological legitimacy. And, for Christians, the universal church itself is the theologically legitimate Israel. Unfortunately, morons, which includes Zionists, aren't affected by facts or logic.

Jews are YHWH's Chosen People to tell his story thru.Doesn't matter who believes what about Israel.Israel was given to the Jews by YHWH.
You don't like it?Take it up with YHWH.

[saltydancin]

Jews are YHWH's Chosen People to tell his story thru.Doesn't matter who believes what about Israel.Israel was given to the Jews by YHWH.
You don't like it?Take it up with YHWH.

Those Christians self anointed as higher than one nation under God in how Christian when the birth of the US Constitutions are sacrificed by thieving arsonists as Jesus was by pedophilia with forgiveness.....has little to do with Israel except when resorting as Mengele "Angel of Death" beliefs.

[RB 60]

Sorry, but slander consists of false statements meant to tarnish a reputation. The fact remains that over the last two millennia some Xtians have put to death thousands of people -- if not millions -- for rejecting their god. This is not false.

I know you wouldn't call it "hate" or "slander" when I point out that the same is true of some adherents of Islam, eh?

Ah. yes. That happened in your lifetime and it has affected you severely, I see. Of course, it's present day Christians who continue doing these things, right?

[Bobb]

Jews are YHWH's Chosen People to tell his story thru.Doesn't matter who believes what about Israel.Israel was given to the Jews by YHWH.
You don't like it?Take it up with YHWH.

God took the land away from the Jews in 70 AD for murdering Jesus. And, those who call themselves Jews today aren't the descendants of Israel. They only call themselves Jews out of solidarity with those who killed Jesus. Too bad you're a brainless fcktard who has no ability to process the points I've given you.

[saltydancin]

God took the land away from the Jews in 70 AD for murdering Jesus. And, those who call themselves Jews today aren't the descendants of Israel. They only call themselves Jews out of solidarity with those who killed Jesus. Too bad you're a brainless fcktard who has no ability to process the points I've given you.

That's cognitive dissonance as this Christian Nation birth of it's US Constitution where suicidal Christiananality pedophilia super egos of thieving US Constitution arsonists abortionists claim to be one nation under God; while their cross conditioned way beyond therapy master race "man is God" dichotomy of a fabricated misnomer immaculate conception in killing for homicidal sociopsychopathilogical human farming is the song remains the same schizophrenia survival of the fittest fascists pyramid scheme evolution into thieving old glory & old testament arsonists.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Ah. yes. That happened in your lifetime and it has affected you severely, I see. Of course, it's present day Christians who continue doing these things, right?

In my life time and in America, Xtians have done things like lynch black people, blow up black churches, massacre black ppl at church, blow up abortion clinics and kill staff, blow up a government office building in OKC, etc. In my life time and in America, non-Xtians have done similar atrocities. 9/11 alone killed over 3,000 ppl. You know what? Maybe it's just PEOPLE that are the assholes -- and they use whatever religion they follow to justify their evil. Sorry, but Christians don't get a pass any more than do the non-religious.

[Ralph]

Jews are YHWH's Chosen People to tell his story thru.Doesn't matter who believes what about Israel.Israel was given to the Jews by YHWH.
You don't like it?Take it up with YHWH.

Biblical Israel was destroyed because it failed to live up to its covenant oath. Indeed Israel was "given" to the Jews by GOD....forever, under conditions of THE PROMISE. Those conditions are contained in the Holy Scriptures. Conditions that Biblical Israel failed to abide in.

Read the scriptures. God made promises to father Abraham. There were 3 major promises. 1. Land 2. A Nation 3. And Israel would be a blessing to all nations of the earth (Gen. 12:1-3, Gen. 15:18)

Some people claim all 3 of those promises are still in effect...because they were FOREVER....that is a major lack of comprehension of recorded scripture.

The scriptures teach that God lived up to His promise to father Abraham, because that is the nature of God, He keeps His word, He cannot lie. (Heb. 6:13-18)

The promise of giving land to Israel was fulfilled (Ex. 6:4-8) In the Book of Deut. God told the Israelites to enter and possess the land (Deut. 1:6-8) God fulfilled His promise (Jos. 11:23)

THE PROMISE was ACCOMPLISHED IN ITS ENTIRETY...there was nothing lacking on God's portion of the promise (Jos. 21:43-45)

The nation promise was fulfilled while the Israelites lived in Egypt under captivity. God had told Israel that is when the Nation promise would be realized (Gen. 46:3). The population of Israel increased greatly while in Egypt (Ex. 1:7) Their numbers became like Stars, just as God had promised (Deut. 1:9-11).

There remained but ONE PROMISE of the original 3 promises made to father Abraham by God.....for the nation of Israel to become a blessing to all the peoples of the world.....and that promise would come much later. That blessing came first to the Jews of Biblical Israel through Christ Jesus in the 1st century (Acts 3:24-26). Form there in 1st century Israel, that promise spread to all the nations of the world (Gal. 3:8-9, 13-16, 26-29).

BUT THAT IS WHERE MOST PEOPLE WISH TO END THE DETAILS OF THE PROMISE AND THE COVENANT MADE BETWEEN GOD AND THE NATION OF BIBICAL ISRAEL...THERE IS MORE, MUCH MORE TO THE DETAILED TRUTH FOUND IN SCRIPTURES.

God made other promises to Israel besides the Nation promise consisting of 3 parts. God promised Israel that He would destroy it if it failed in its part of the covenant and became disloyal to the God of Creation. (Lev. 26:27-29). They would be driven from the land (Deut. 4:25-28). They would cease to be a nation (Deut. 8:19-20)

And these things happened. Israel sinned greatly against God and in spite of God's longsuffering.....the Northern Tribes were removed from the Land of promise (2 Kings 17:7-18)

When the remaining tribe sinned it also was removed from the land. (2 Kings 23:26-27)

Yet...God was longsuffering.....God would allow for a portion of Israel to be restored to the land after 70 years of eviction.....but only IN PART.....Israel as a whole nation, with all tribal ID would never be totally restored again, JUST A REMNANT WOULD RETURN, like a broken potters jar pieced back together never as great as the original (Jer. 19:7-13)(Jer. 25:8-13) (Isa. 10:20-23).

God kept all His promises.....Israel was totally and completely wiped from the face of existence by the Roman Empire over 2000 years ago. The New Nation is but a counterfeit nation using the Name of Israel without God's blessings.

Biblical Israel exists today as a New Testament Covenant Nation...that nation, God's chosen....is Christianity. As clearly stated in Scripture.

"FOR YE ARE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. FOR AS MANY OF YOU HAS BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. THERE IS NEITHER GREEK NOR JEW; THERE IS NEITHER BOND NOR FREE; THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE; FOR YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S; THEN YOU ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM'S SEED; AND HEIR TO THE PROMISE." -- Gal 3:26-29

There is only 1 promise remaining of the original 3. The Land promised was fulfilled and broken by Israel....the Nation promise was fulfilled and broken by Israel. There remains only 1 promise......Christians as the SEED OF ABRHAM will become a blessing to ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH.

[ThatOwlWoman]

[Guno צְבִי]

From Jewish tradition, a different viewpoint emerges starting with the fact that there doesn't exist the concept of everlasting damnation and torture. The Almighty's justice is not served by punishing someone forever. Justice means the punishment fits the crime. Since we are finite and our sins are finite, then our punishment or atonement must be finite. To take it one step further, the very connection with wrongdoing is an act of connecting to that which is temporary, physical, devoid of Godliness. On the other hand, when you do a mitzvah, you become one with God who is eternal. Evil and bad by definition do not exist forever; therefore the atonement period for wrongdoing is a fixed period of time.

https://www.aish.com/jl/l/a/48971646.html

It’s not an ‘either / or ‘ choice between heaven or hell, because most people end up going to BOTH. So, how does that work, exactly? It’s like this: nobody is always 100% perfect and never does anything wrong, and nobody is 100 percent evil either (although some people throughout history have come pretty darned close…) God has kindly arranged things so that you get fully rewarded for all the good stuff you do in heaven, for eternity. BUT before you can take your place, you first need to pay down the spiritual debt you accrued during your lifetime. The place you do that is gehinnom. The more ‘bad’ things that you did (that you didn’t already fix in your lifetime), the longer you spend there. But once you paid down your spiritual debt, the gates of heaven swing open, and you’re welcomed back upstairs. A few extremely pious individuals go to great lengths to fix any wrongdoing they might have done while they’re still alive. The people who manage this get to skip gehinnom and go straight to the VIP lounge Upstairs – but it’s a level that most of us just aren’t at.

It only cleans up sins between man and God. The pork chop you ate on Yom Kippur is a classic example of the sort of sin that can get cleaned off your slate in gehinnom. Ditto for driving to the beach on Shabbat, eating that toasted bagel on Pesach, or worshipping that cute pagan idol. But gehinnom doesn’t work for sins between man and man: if you hurt someone else in some way, lied to them, cheated them out of their pension or generally made their life miserable and you didn’t apologize to them and make amends for what you did during your lifetime, then you’re in trouble. Heaven won’t let you in to claim your eternal reward while you still have some outstanding spiritual debts to pay down, and Jewish hell doesn’t work for those sort of sins. So what’s the answer? In a nutshell: reincarnation. God sends you back down to planet earth for another go around, so you can fix what you broke the last time around.