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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    I heard some clips of Pneusome addressing Sacramento about the problem of homelessness and housing. Absolutely painful stuff.
    Still can’t believe I gave that guy money back in the day. Only politician I’ve ever donated too

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Totally logical and legitimate questions and not that I'm some expert but I'll attempt to answer. We are seeing many companies/jobs leave the high cost coastal areas for more affordable ones. But even with that most people around the world know if you want to be in tech the Bay Area/Silicon Valley is the place to be, as is LA for entertainment and NY for finance and as a result those areas will continue to be desirable. The problem when you don't build sufficient housing is the areas become most rich or poor with little in the middle which isn't good. And it makes it harder for young people to go to these areas which holds down economic growth for the country.

    Businesses do pay higher wages in coastal cities. But ultimately its not their fault that the government prevents development and forces the cost of living skyward. For example we could make the local minimum wage between $20 - $30/hr and people still couldn't afford to live here. That's how out of whack it is.

    LA never built density. They just kept building outwards. LA freeways (or in reality they are parking lots much of the time) are the worst. It takes forever to get anywhere and to top it off they have sh*tty public transportation so everyone drives.
    Does anyone think the cities or State should use Eminent Domain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Do you think the cities or State should use Eminent Domain?
    No. What I think they need to do is 1) reduce the red tape and lengthy appeals that can delay development for years along with adding tremendous amounts to the cost (and before anything throws in the strawman we want no regulations that is not the case) and 2) understand cities are meant to be more dense; we don't need large sections of major cities consisting of only/mostly single family homes; if you want single family homes go to the suburbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Should I be happy. Outraged? What?
    do you always consult others on how you should feel? that's so soy boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We've already had a huge battle in the state over SB50 which was the state almost mandating that cities build more housing. Among the arguments against the legislation was the it was a local zoning issue and not something the state should be involved with. Now there is zero question California has had an anti-growth attitude towards housing for decades which is why we have the crisis we do. From a federalist perspective should the federal government force California to build more housing is essentially what it comes down too.
    Building more housing for the homeless will not solve the problem. The problem isn't housing, but releasing the mentally disturbed onto our streets and in our cities without any hope for proper treatment.

    This leftist policy began in the 1960's. Instead of reforming the institutionalized abuse, we closed them and set them all free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    the republican governor and their greedy capitalistic agenda is part of the problem.
    California has a Republican Governor? Dunce. This state is a BLUE socialist utopia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Have you heard what is happening in Hong Kong?? Cubicles, a couple hundred ft sq or less...

    The gubment looks the other way when apt owners split up the units because there are no other alternative housing options-Singapore as well to a lesser extent..
    Not remotely similar.
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    they created this homeless problem so eventually people will support putting them in fema camps.

    problem- reaction- solution.

    society is a theatrical production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    No. What I think they need to do is 1) reduce the red tape and lengthy appeals that can delay development for years along with adding tremendous amounts to the cost (and before anything throws in the strawman we want no regulations that is not the case) and 2) understand cities are meant to be more dense; we don't need large sections of major cities consisting of only/mostly single family homes; if you want single family homes go to the suburbs
    Ok, so the situation is not dire enough to require Eminent Domain. Just checking :0)

    I don't find, cities are supposed to be dense, to be a compelling argument.

    And I' believe homelessness is driven by drug addiction and mental disorder, not a lack of affordable housing. JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Ok, so the situation is not dire enough to require Eminent Domain. Just checking :0)

    I don't find, cities are supposed to be dense, to be a compelling argument.

    And I' believe homelessness is driven by drug addiction and mental disorder, not a lack of affordable housing. JMHO
    People are free to disagree (and clearly do, haha).

    No question mental illness and drug issues play a huge role in homelessness. If you're a drug addict that has no control over your life rent being $1K vs. $3K isn't going to make a difference.

    I could go find the articles/studies that show this but the extraordinarily costs of living in the major markets where jobs are has a negative effect on economic growth in this country. So while its hard to really care about problems in an area where you don't live it ultimately has an effect on all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    do you always consult others on how you should feel? that's so soy boy.
    Oh look! Another one who doesn't understand sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    No. What I think they need to do is 1) reduce the red tape and lengthy appeals that can delay development for years along with adding tremendous amounts to the cost (and before anything throws in the strawman we want no regulations that is not the case) and 2) understand cities are meant to be more dense; we don't need large sections of major cities consisting of only/mostly single family homes; if you want single family homes go to the suburbs
    IF it's not regulation then what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Oh look! Another one who doesn't understand sarcasm.
    did I win something for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    did I win something for it?
    Poe's Law Award.

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    Someone has to do something. California lib dems don't seem to give a shit.
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