And now for the FACTS on Trump's Wall:

[Earl]

When illegals (non-citizens) work in this country, they do so illegally.

The goal of the radical Democrat Socialists is to import as many potential voters as possible.

They verify this with their open borders and sanctuary cities.

This despicable policy which causes hundreds of thousands of assaults, rapes and murders of legal American citizens is being stopped in its tracks.

The deportations of these illegals continue and the radical Democrat Socialists will pay for this at the ballot box.

[CFM]

Really, if that was the case, "the single most important 'military construction' project" why didn't the military ask for funding to construct it? or why didn't Congress approve it?

Border security is an issue, not Trump's Wall, the two aren't the same, in fact, just like last year, even ass kissers in Trump's own party don't approve (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...-grab-for-wall)

Let's here it, BOY. What do you propose for border security?

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Let's here it, BOY. What do you propose for border security?

No problem "gated," anything other than a "big, tremendous, thirty foot high, concrete reinforced Wall"

Not out fault your Messiah lied to you, again

[anatta]

Good, further proof we don't need to steal billions from the military to build a Trump Wall, thanks

no. Only Trump managed to get Obrador to send troops to their southern border. He did it thru tariffs threats. The next POTUS might not be able to -but a wall survives past any executive order, or policy
It's a permanent solution

[christiefan915]

That's just semantics, replacing a clapped out useless barrier with a brand new one is what's needed. If you replace a broom handle and then later on the broom head, is it the same or a new one? I still haven't seen an effective argument as to why the likes of Pelosi, Clinton and Obama signed the Secure Fence Act in 2006, why was that different?

Pelosi voted "no" on the Act. I can't answer why the others voted for it, that was ages ago when people were more concerned with the Iraq war fallout and the growing recession. In any case between 2007-15, $2.3 billion was spent from the Secure Fence Act. trump wants a 30-foot wall, not a fence, and the proposed cost would be, according to DHS, $21.6 billion.

I stand by my opinion that the wall is a stupid idea. We're in the 21st century, not 771 BC. It's time to use technology, not concrete, to catch people trying to sneak in.

[christiefan915]

ILLEGAL CROSSINGS AT A SEVENTEEN YEAR LOW. COMPLETELY SCREWING UP THE DNC ILLEGAL VOTER DRIVE, BECAUsE MEXICO IS THE WALL, THANKS TO BRILLIANT TRUMP BORDER REGS., that are keeping the ILLEGAL, FRAUDOCRAT VOTERS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

Trump Has Built Nearly 100 Miles of Border Wall by End of 2019, With 350 Miles to Go in 2020

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...0-goal-1479821

IOW...the 450 miles he sought from the getgo.

trump said there's a "national emergency" at the border. Doesn't seem so from your article.

[anatta]

I stand by my opinion that the wall is a stupid idea. We're in the 21st century, not 771 BC. It's time to use technology, not concrete, to catch people trying to sneak in.

do both. technology doesn't stop them like a hard barrier. Technology simply alerts border patrol.
Some guy in CA tried to scale the 30 foot wall and got stuck at the top -so it does work. he had to be rescued

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Pelosi voted "no" on the Act. I can't answer why the others voted for it, that was ages ago when people were more concerned with the Iraq war fallout and the growing recession. In any case between 2007-15, $2.3 billion was spent from the Secure Fence Act. trump wants a 30-foot wall, not a fence, and the proposed cost would be, according to DHS, $21.6 billion.

I stand by my opinion that the wall is a stupid idea. We're in the 21st century, not 771 BC. It's time to use technology, not concrete, to catch people trying to sneak in.

Ok Pelosi didn't vote for the Secure Fence Act but then Democratic Senators Clinton, Schumer, Obama and Biden did. Hypocrites all in my honest opinion. As for the word fence, I doubt that they meant a garden fence along the border.

[christiefan915]

Ok Pelosi didn't vote for the Secure Fence Act but then Democratic Senators Clinton, Schumer, Obama and Biden did. Hypocrites all in my honest opinion. As for the word fence, I doubt that they meant a garden fence along the border.

I've seen nicer garden fences than some of those along the border. Google "fencing along southern border" and you'll see what I mean.

AFAIK the people you cited are not against fencing along the border. There are a lot of lies out there if you only read the repub version of events.

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that while Democrats are adamantly opposed to extending the wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, they're open to new fencing and other barriers as part of ongoing talks to prevent another government shutdown.

“There's not going to be any wall money in the legislation,” Pelosi said during her weekly press briefing in the Capitol. “However, if they have some suggestions about certain localities where technology, some infrastructure [is appropriate] ... that’s part of the negotiation."

and

Did Democrats reverse border wall position after Donald Trump was elected?

I think you're missing the point about what Dems are really against. This is what trump wants and Dems don't. And the link shows trump's changing definitions on the wall.

"The fence was different from the wall Trump promised to build on the campaign trail, which he said would be made of "hardened concrete" as tall as "95 stories" with a "very big, very beautiful door."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/2503855002/

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I've seen nicer garden fences than some of those along the border. Google "fencing along southern border" and you'll see what I mean.

AFAIK the people you cited are not against fencing along the border. There are a lot of lies out there if you only read the repub version of events.

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that while Democrats are adamantly opposed to extending the wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, they're open to new fencing and other barriers as part of ongoing talks to prevent another government shutdown.

“There's not going to be any wall money in the legislation,” Pelosi said during her weekly press briefing in the Capitol. “However, if they have some suggestions about certain localities where technology, some infrastructure [is appropriate] ... that’s part of the negotiation."

and

Did Democrats reverse border wall position after Donald Trump was elected?

I think you're missing the point about what Dems are really against. This is what trump wants and Dems don't. And the link shows trump's changing definitions on the wall.

"The fence was different from the wall Trump promised to build on the campaign trail, which he said would be made of "hardened concrete" as tall as "95 stories" with a "very big, very beautiful door."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/2503855002/

Oh come on we both know full well that Trump is given to exaggeration, showmanship and bluster. I still fail to see why anyone would want to build a fence that was neither use nor ornament. Are you telling me that it was supposed to be just symbolic only?

[christiefan915]

Oh come on we both know full well that Trump is given to exaggeration, showmanship and bluster. I still fail to see why anyone would want to build a fence that was neither use nor ornament. Are you telling me that it was supposed to be just symbolic only?

^ We both know that but you don't seem to believe that he's a congenital liar who reads his crowd and tells them what they want to hear, the truth be damned. What happened to the "national emergency" at the border? What happened to the dreaded caravan infiltration? What happened to "Mexico will pay for the wall, I guarantee it."

You (pl.) are far removed from the problems trump created in the US. People here despise him for a reason, and it's only his hard core supporters who still swallow his lies unquestioningly.

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^ We both know that but you don't seem to believe that he's a congenital liar who reads his crowd and tells them what they want to hear, the truth be damned. What happened to the "national emergency" at the border? What happened to the dreaded caravan infiltration? What happened to "Mexico will pay for the wall, I guarantee it."

You (pl.) are far removed from the problems trump created in the US. People here despise him for a reason, and it's only his hard core supporters who still swallow his lies unquestioningly.

Well certainly regarding Mexico and a wall, but not true with many other issues. Taking fracking for example, that policy alone has lowered the worldwide price of oil and gas by a huge amount, that affects everybody not just the US. Bernie Sanders would outright ban it as would Elizabeth Warren, to my mind that's just incomprehensible and incredibly stupid. I have absolutely no illusions about Trump whatsoever, but I just can't see anybody on the Dem's side that's electable except maybe Bloomberg or Biden. I do find it incredibly ironic that for all the talk about Trump being in Putin's pocket, it is the policy of banning fracking that Putin would love to see happen most.

[christiefan915]

Well certainly regarding Mexico and a wall, but not true with many other issues. Taking fracking for example, that policy alone has lowered the worldwide price of oil and gas by a huge amount, that affects everybody not just the US. Bernie Sanders would outright ban it as would Elizabeth Warren, to my mind that's just incomprehensible and incredibly stupid. I have absolutely no illusions about Trump whatsoever, but I just can't see anybody on the Dem's side that's electable except maybe Bloomberg or Biden. I do find it incredibly ironic that for all the talk about being in Putin's pocket, it is the policy of banning fracking that Putin would love to see happen.

Fracking's not the only way to get energy independence. I read that only four countries in the world produce shale gas and oil commercially. The Guardian says fracking was stopped in England a few months ago, why is that? Does BoJo support fracking? Just a few years ago nuclear power was the next big thing. According to this paper nuclear is the better path to take.

[PostmodernProphet]

"TRUMP: “You do know who’s paying for the wall, don’t you? Redemption from illegal aliens that are coming. The redemption money is paying for the wall.” — New Hampshire rally on Feb. 10, 2020"

"THE FACTS: To date, the money is coming from the U.S. treasury, meaning today’s taxpayers and the future ones who will inherit the federal debt. To the extent any people who came into the U.S. illegally are kicking in for the wall, it’s because they’re working and paying taxes like other workers."

“Redemption” payments don’t exist; Trump apparently meant to cite remittances. That refers to money that immigrants in the U.S. send to their countries of origin, often to family members. Trump has at various times talked about taxing or blocking such money, but that has not been done."

"Mexico flatly refused at the outset to pay for the wall. That has given rise to creative formulations by the president about how Mexico in some way is contributing. For example, he has projected that his updated trade agreement with Mexico and Canada will stimulate enough extra growth over the years to cover the cost. Even if that happens, which analysts widely doubt, the wall will have cost the U.S. money that it could have used for something else. It’s not a payment from Mexico."

"Trump freed up $3.6 billion for the wall last year by diverting money from military construction projects as well as $2.5 billion from approved counter-drug spending."

https://apnews.com/da2b132d335daf00e292aa6c8b873940

In other words, Mexico isn't, nor will Mexico ever, pay for Trump's Wall

It is tough to determine which is the biggest flat out lie Trump has echoed, there are so many, thousands documented, but if I had to pick one it is "Mexico paying for the Wall," or, "I won't play Golf when I am elected"

demmycunts are merely delaying the process......thus, making the wall cost more before Mexico pays for it......silly demmycunts......fortunately, Trump has been able to find ways to fund the wall in the mean time......

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh, so you want to build Trump's Wall even though the money for Trump's Wall is coming from funding the Pentagon felt was needed for other priorities, and Congress concurred with the military approving funding for those priorities?

of course not......we want the demmycunts to approve Trump's plan to build the wall........doing it with Pentagon funds is the second choice.......