Birth Control: Sharing the responsibility

[MAGA MAN]

you have your rights, as long as they don't infringle on other people's. babies are people.

don't dehumanize babies.

That's a simple, correct argument. Libs can't defend against it.

[MAGA MAN]

You're the one that says you put people on IA then check on them to see if they're doing things the way you think they should do it.

I suspect you'll continue that process because you're nothing more than a goddamn loud-mouthed pussy.

Which is why I groan every one of her posts.

[canceled.2021.2]

That's a simple, correct argument. Libs can't defend against it.

The pro life position is the most simple to defend. Leftists have to twist themselves into pretzels to support their position.

The only person whose position I respect on this issue is Grind. Grind is staunchly pro abortion. But he doesn't twist himself in knots trying to "prove" it isn't a live baby being killed. He just supports it. While I find his position abhorrent, at least it is honest.

Every other leftist is intellectually dishonest.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

The pro life position is the most simple to defend. Leftists have to twist themselves into pretzels to support their position.

The only person whose position I respect on this issue is Grind. Grind is staunchly pro abortion. But he doesn't twist himself in knots trying to "prove" it isn't a live baby being killed. He just supports it. While I find his position abhorrent, at least it is honest.

Every other leftist is intellectually dishonest.

that's my position too actually. im pro choice but its definitely killing a human. it should just come with a warning label:

warning: this procedure, while legal, is still killing a human, and is at best morally grey and could result in, damnation, karmic loss, and/or perpetual unassuagable guilt.

[canceled.2021.2]

that's my position too actually. im pro choice but its definitely killing a human. it should just come with a warning label:

warning: this procedure, while legal, is still killing a human, and is at best morally grey and could result in, damnation, karmic loss, and/or perpetual unassuagable guilt.

Like Grind at least you are intellectually honest about it. I disagree with your position, but respect it more than other leftists on this board who don't have the balls to be honest about it

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Like Grind at least you are intellectually honest about it. I disagree with your position, but respect it more than other leftists on this board who don't have the balls to be honest about it

it bothers me for markets to be forming for fetal tissues of various kinds.

[Celticguy]

People always like forget that there is more than one person involved with abortion. And im not referring to the father.

[CFM]

People always like forget that there is more than one person involved with abortion. And im not referring to the father.

The left has already indicated the sperm donor doesn't have a say.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And how does this little screed of yours alter the validity of the proposal in the OP link? Clearly, you're comfortable with dictating terms to woman, but not to men when it comes to sex and birth. Quite the hypocrite, our RB 60.

I am "dictating" the terms of responsibility from BOTH parties. You are obviously illiterate if you can't see that both parties being responsible was my point.

As for the OP, it's as slippery a slope as abortion. I wouldn't support either, although there are exceptions.

You're blowing smoke out of your patoot, RB. Your "terms of responsibility" incorporates the anti-abortion stance that STILL puts the onus on women and essentially let's guys off the hook (status quo). Now I don't recall you or your like minded brethren advocating for sex education for teens on par with say, drivers education … or dispensing of OTC contraceptives to 16 and up. Hell, did you even gripe about the "morning after" pill?

Let me dumb it down for you: this "just say no or suffer the consequences" BS of yours is just that...BS. Who the hell are you to tell someone they have to remain pregnant and give birth when you are AGAINST social services in general? If it doesn't take money out of your pocket or food off your plate, MIND YOUR OWN DAMNED BUSINESS!

If you're going to regulate women, do so for men. If you don't support either, then you have NOTHING to say, other than just bitching because a "liberal" said something against a policy that "conservatives" have internalized. But do parrot your hypocrisy ad nausea...that's predictable enough.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...16#post3490216

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...28#post3490228

Is your argument that, outside a woman being raped, she can get pregnant if she doesn't have sex with someone?

Are you drunk? Nothing I posted suggests anything of the sort! I suggest you get an adult to explain things to you...or take a refresher course in reading comprehension.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
How can I "go back into hiding" when I created this thread and am responding to posters, you Certified Fucking Moron? What did TD post here that is worthy of a debate? Do you know what a debate actually is? Let the reading audience know.

You're the one that says you put people on IA then check on them to see if they're doing things the way you think they should do it.

I suspect you'll continue that process because you're nothing more than a goddamn loud-mouthed pussy.

Lying again, CFM? This is a printed medium, so people can track your conversation. But let me educate you on how things work:

- If a responder continuously lies about what I post, misrepresents it's content and always tries to divert the discussion to another subject or just personal attacks, why should I not IA them?
- If a responder offers nothing other than denial with no factual support and puts their personal opinion out as if it's historical fact, why should I not IA them?
- If a responder shows up just to throw out personal attacks and post childish memes/slogans/talking points without attempting to have a rational, fact based discussion, why should I not IA them?

And riddle me this … if a responder has been around for YEARS and KNOWS my sentiments regarding various subjects are diametrically opposed to theirs....why do they respond, let alone NOT have me on IA?

the IA option is there for the very purpose of dealing with the mindset in the aforementioned. If you don't like it, get off this site. You don't like me, IA me. But since it seems you have some psychotic need to engage me, please explain to the reading audience what TD posted here that was worthy of anything other than what I did. If you can't, but just blather on, then you as well haven't grown to debate beyond right wing wonkery.

And that being said, stay on target regarding the OP.

[RB 60]

You're blowing smoke out of your patoot, RB. Your "terms of responsibility" incorporates the anti-abortion stance that STILL puts the onus on women and essentially let's guys off the hook (status quo). Now I don't recall you or your like minded brethren advocating for sex education for teens on par with say, drivers education … or dispensing of OTC contraceptives to 16 and up. Hell, did you even gripe about the "morning after" pill?

Let me dumb it down for you: this "just say no or suffer the consequences" BS of yours is just that...BS. Who the hell are you to tell someone they have to remain pregnant and give birth when you are AGAINST social services in general? If it doesn't take money out of your pocket or food off your plate, MIND YOUR OWN DAMNED BUSINESS!

If you're going to regulate women, do so for men. If you don't support either, then you have NOTHING to say, other than just bitching because a "liberal" said something against a policy that "conservatives" have internalized. But do parrot your hypocrisy ad nausea...that's predictable enough.

I don't know what you're ranting about, nor do I care, but.... Morning after pill?
Why should schools hand out contraceptives? To promote teen sex? It will.
Any social service IS money out of my pocket, I pay taxes.

Why shouldn't people be responsible for their decisions? You want to have sex,
go to a doctor and get contraceptives. If you're a guy, ask her if she has.

[Taichiliberal]

"Now, let's look at CFM's classic misogyny in his 2 sentence assessment: He essentially states the moot point that consensual sex can result in pregnancy, and therefore if a woman does NOT use contraception and know the man isn't, then that's on her."

Not misogyny. Are you saying the woman can get pregnant without having sex?

"Mind you, CFM doesn't take into account rape, faulty contraception, divorce, financial changes, someone lies, etc. But that doesn't matter."

I've acknowledged rape is a crime and a separate issue. As for those other things, it doesn't matter. It doesn't change that without her consent the act doesn't occur.

"So he ignores the basic concept of the OP link and alludes to the SOS of making a woman bring an unwanted child to term because HE and a group of other folk say so (despite not knowing or caring or wanting to be bothered with what happens afterwards)."

I expect her, because she chose the action that produced the result to be responsible for the result. Aborting it because you don't like the result you knew could occur from an action you chose to do isn't being responsible.

"CFM acts as if EVERY guy who impregnates EVERY woman is going to be a stand up father. "

If they're not, that doesn't make it the responsibility of those of us that didn't impregnate the woman. She should have made a better choice when it came down to such a serious issue.

"Obviously, CFM lives in an alternate universe."

No, unlike you, I live in a universe where when you make choices, even if it doesn't work out like you thought, wanted, or otherwise felt it should, you accept, take responsibility for it, and do the right thing.

1. You deny misogyny, but you don't explain how your assertions do not conclude to such. Then you follow up with some stupid question that is no way near anything I posted. Why you try to divert the conversation by creating these false narratives is beyond me, as anyone with an 8th grade education and an idea of critical thinking can see through your folly.

2. No, it's not a separate issue if folk like you tell a woman that she must bring a pregnancy to term regardless of how she got pregnant. Then you ignore my other examples to repeat your erroneous declaration. That's a stupid tactic by right wing wonks on any subject....you just ignore what you don't like and parrot your beliefs ad nausea.

3. Who asked you? Who gives a damn what you "expect"? A woman who is a complete and utter stranger to you is NOT beholden to your whims or beliefs regarding her pregnancy. You want a theocracy, move to a country that has such laws and powers. And if you want such authority over women (while bitching about your tax dollars going to the welfare and social service of single moms and unwanted kids in the foster care system), then women damn sure want equivalent authority over men, because you sure as hell have guys impregnating women all over the world and NOT taking parental responsibility. Also, maybe you should talk to people in the real world regarding divorce after pregnancy, bankruptcy after pregnancy, death of a spouse after pregnancy, and all the other little permutations that might compel some women NOT to bring a pregnancy to term.

4. But YOU ARE MAKING IT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY BY USING FEDERAL/STATE LAW TO FORCE THAT WOMAN TO BRING THAT PREGNANCY TO TERM, YOU CERTIFIED FUCKING MORON! But you have a hissy fit when a woman proposes a federal/state law that would prevent such a pregnancy. So you have your way, and MANY folk have theirs….with LESS angst of LESS amount of unwanted pregnancy. If you weren't so insipidly stubborn and proudly ignorant, you'd see that.

5. The whole point of America is that gov't assists the individual citizen and protects the individual citizen....that's what you tea party, new conservative, alt right, oather, libertarian folk all wail. YET, YOU want to put the onus of "responsibility" solely on the shoulders of women, and take away their right to choose for themselves. At the same time, you just let guys (who are part of the equation, period) off the hook by default. That's hypocrisy, plain and simple. Hell, it's anti-American. But do parrot your dreck ad nausea with your hands firmly over your ears and eyes, because you can't logically or factually defend it.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You're blowing smoke out of your patoot, RB. Your "terms of responsibility" incorporates the anti-abortion stance that STILL puts the onus on women and essentially let's guys off the hook (status quo). Now I don't recall you or your like minded brethren advocating for sex education for teens on par with say, drivers education … or dispensing of OTC contraceptives to 16 and up. Hell, did you even gripe about the "morning after" pill?

Let me dumb it down for you: this "just say no or suffer the consequences" BS of yours is just that...BS. Who the hell are you to tell someone they have to remain pregnant and give birth when you are AGAINST social services in general? If it doesn't take money out of your pocket or food off your plate, MIND YOUR OWN DAMNED BUSINESS!

If you're going to regulate women, do so for men. If you don't support either, then you have NOTHING to say, other than just bitching because a "liberal" said something against a policy that "conservatives" have internalized. But do parrot your hypocrisy ad nausea...that's predictable enough

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I don't know what you're ranting about, nor do I care, but.... Morning after pill?
Why should schools hand out contraceptives? To promote teen sex? It will.
Any social service IS money out of my pocket, I pay taxes.

Why shouldn't people be responsible for their decisions? You want to have sex,
go to a doctor and get contraceptives. If you're a guy, ask her if she has.

your first 3 sentences in this response says it all. Here's how I schooled your like minded brethren with the same mindset and mantras:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...20#post3491920

Oh, and spare us all the old anti-abortion BS. Since teen sex and pregnancies was off the charts BEFORE proposals of sex education, your statement is without merit and proof. And yes, genius....you pay taxes JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. The difference is that if there are LESS unwanted pregnancies done by guys who aren't stand up father's after the fact, that's LESS money for foster care, etc. Think it through.

[RB 60]

your first 3 sentences in this response says it all. Here's how I schooled your like minded brethren with the same mindset and mantras:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...20#post3491920

Oh, and spare us all the old anti-abortion BS. Since teen sex and pregnancies was off the charts BEFORE proposals of sex education, your statement is without merit and proof. And yes, genius....you pay taxes JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. The difference is that if there are LESS unwanted pregnancies done by guys who aren't stand up father's after the fact, that's LESS money for foster care, etc. Think it through.

You don't give yourself enough credit

Whatever.