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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Yes, here is a good example of right wing schizophrenia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Yes, here is a good example of right wing schizophrenia.
    They cannot decide what Socialism actually is, and they are all over the map. I am 100 percent sure they do this intentionally.

    On the one hand, Barack Obama and his signature policy Obamacare, was to conservatives, fully Marxist-Socialist.

    Ronald Reagan compared Medicare to socialism.

    But then you catch them claiming that Sweden is the land of capitalism and super charged free entrepreneurship

    They spent years claiming western Europe was socialist.
    But whenever anyone pointed out that Sweden, Denmark, Norway are pretty nice places to live, they would back track and claim that Norway is the land of capitalism and free entrepreneurship, with a scattering of generous social programs.


    One has to assume they are either being intentionally dishonest, or they do not actually know anything about socialism.

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    Rightys are so easily alarmed by nomenclature. There are no socialist countries. They have corporations and businesses that employ workers just like we do. The difference is they a lot more of the tax base to helping people with healthcare and a safety net. It is just about what they choose to spend money on. We want the wealthy to have a huge portion of our tax base on a continuing basis. The money we tax flows to the top with the power that money includes. We listen to athletes because they make so much money that they must be special and smart. We elected trump who is essentially stupid and flawed because he was supposedly rich. He promised change and delivered a plutocracy.
    We are on the wrong track. The workers create wealth and the owners confiscate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    Next time you hear a JPP lib tout the Scandinavian model of socialism, point out the truth here.

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/
    They are more socialist than a Sanders America would ever be. If we had stronger unions we would not need a minimum wadge, and I am all about school choice (properly regulated) but that has very little to do with the Economy. Scandinavian government is MUCH closer to what Sanders is promoting than what is going on in Venezuela EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    They are more socialist than a Sanders America would ever be. If we had stronger unions we would not need a minimum wadge, and I am all about school choice (properly regulated) but that has very little to do with the Economy. Scandinavian government is MUCH closer to what Sanders is promoting than what is going on in Venezuela EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
    According to you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    According to you...
    According to reality, but I know you are not big on reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Yes, here is a good example of right wing schizophrenia.
    Not schizophrenia...stupidity.
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    Both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    According to reality, but I know you are not big on reality.
    According to you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Yes, here is a good example of right wing schizophrenia.
    What the meme leaves out are several factors:

    1) Norway is mostly culturally homogeneous. Because of this, it's easier to organize society efficiently and for everyone to be on the same page regarding priorities.

    2) Norway has a very favorable resource to population ratio. The country largely thrives off of its oil revenue, since the population is relatively small.

    3) Norway also has a very capitalistic economy outside of a few key industries.

    We could probably attempt to emulate certain aspects of Norway in policy, but we cannot expect them to work the same way here as they work there.

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    Cultural homogeneousity has nothing to do with social programs in a civilized country.

    The USA has a much higher resource to population ration than Norway.

    Both Norway and the USA are democratic market economies.

    Stop the nonsense, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Cultural homogeneousity has nothing to do with social programs in a civilized country.
    It most certainly does have something to do with how well welfare states function. If there is a high variance in the values of the people present, then you're going to see a lot of people end up living off of the system. This is what has happened with the migrant crisis in Europe, for example.

    It's not as simple as saying that some people are lazy. It's that some cultures adapt better to a system than others. In the case of Sweden, for example, the Afghanis that immigrated to Sweden have largely become dependent on government money. They don't typically know the local language, and they don't have any needed job skills.

    There are plenty of less extreme examples of where this variance in values and skills has effects on a system as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    The USA has a much higher resource to population ration than Norway.
    Actually, it doesn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita

    We're close to Norway in that regard, although Norway also has substantially less poverty than America. That also plays into how well systems work. We'd have to change things quite a lot to match Norway's relative lack of poverty.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Both Norway and the USA are democratic market economies.

    Stop the nonsense, please.
    If you mean mixed market, yes. Although, the US is considerably more economically free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    You had to twist yourself that hard, huh?
    Not a twist. You go back and forth in how you define Socialism. When Americans want Social Democracy, you claim it's Socialism. When we point out how well it works in Europe, you claim it's not Socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Rightys are so easily alarmed by nomenclature.
    This is why the establishment always uses the word "Socialism" to describe ANY attempt to help the working-class. Remember when Obama was a Socialist and the ACA was Socialism? The good news is that the establishment has used this word so many times for so many different things that it's lost its power.

    Another good thing is that Bernie, in a stroke of genius, has begun calling right-wing policies that help the rich "Corporate Socialism." He's pointing out that the establishment is fine with regulation to help the rich, but only cry about Socialism when the regulations help the working-class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Not a twist. You go back and forth in how you define Socialism. When Americans want Social Democracy, you claim it's Socialism. When we point out how well it works in Europe, you claim it's not Socialism.
    Only freeloaders want social democracy. Real Americans prefer to be responsible for doing for themselves not voting for someone else to do it for them.

    The countries where you claim it works in Europe work because of Capitalism not socialism or social democracy.

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