The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism

[StoneByStone]

The countries where you claim it works in Europe work because of Capitalism not socialism or social democracy.

Alright, then we should have the kind of Capitalism they have in Europe, since it's worked better than the kind of Capitalism we have in America.

[CFM]

Alright, then we should have the kind of Capitalism they have in Europe, since it's worked better than the kind of Capitalism we have in America.

What makes you think it works better there?

What you want is the high taxes they have in Europe in order to fund the social welfare programs.

[Cypress]

Alright, then we should have the kind of Capitalism they have in Europe, since it's worked better than the kind of Capitalism we have in America.

I am still waiting for conservatives to explain the contradiction as to why they called Barack Obama a "socialist" for the better part of a decade,
but the generous social welfare states of Scandinavia are not socialist.


Also too, exactly what nations were conservatives referring to when they spent decades calling western Europe "socialist"???

>> https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...19#post2926319

[StoneByStone]

I am still waiting for conservatives to explain the contradiction as to why they called Barack Obama a "socialist" for the better part of a decade,
but the generous social welfare states of Scandinavia are not socialist.


Also too, exactly what nations were conservatives referring to when they spent decades calling western Europe "socialist"???

>> https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...19#post2926319

It just shows how silly and inconsistent "Socialism" is in the Fox News bubble. While I don't mind being called a Socialist, I don't use the term because it means nothing now. "Socialism" can be anything from hardcore authoritarian Marxism to mostly free-market Capitalism with a few regulations to keep parents from selling their kids into slavery.

[StoneByStone]

What makes you think it works better there?

What you want is the high taxes they have in Europe in order to fund the social welfare programs.

Most of those countries have a higher living standard than America. And sure, I'll pay higher taxes if it means the savings make it worth it. That's why Bernie's healthcare plan is so good. Slightly higher taxes, but we save more than we're saving now.

[CFM]

Most of those countries have a higher living standard than America. And sure, I'll pay higher taxes if it means the savings make it worth it. That's why Bernie's healthcare plan is so good. Slightly higher taxes, but we save more than we're saving now.

Interesting how you lefties claim you'd pay higher taxes if it meant people getting healthcare. You do realize there is a way for those you think should have care to get it without anyone else being taxed more?

How much do you say I'll save?

[StoneByStone]

[QUOTE=CFM;3492578]Interesting how you lefties claim you'd pay higher taxes if it meant people getting healthcare. You do realize there is a way for those you think should have care to get it without anyone else being taxed more?

And what would that be?
Before you say "get a job," there are plenty of people who already work 40 hours a week and still can't afford the treatment they need.

How much do you say I'll save?

Depends how much you're spending and making now, but I do encourage you to do some reading about the issue.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bern...e-money-2018-7

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Next time you hear a JPP lib tout the Scandinavian model of socialism, point out the truth here.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/

Your, actually the article's, whole arguement is blown given that socialism/capitalism isn't a dichotomy, it is not an either or choice, you don't give up a market economy by adopting socialist principles, or vica versa

The right likes to portray any mention of socialism as if it is an upheaval in the economy, nothing could be further from the truth, no economy today in the World is a straight socialist nor capitalist economy, even Cuba or China, they are all mixed economies, a little bit of both, in fact, the US has been part socialist since the 19th Century, if not before then

[CFM]

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Interesting how you lefties claim you'd pay higher taxes if it meant people getting healthcare. You do realize there is a way for those you think should have care to get it without anyone else being taxed more?

And what would that be?
Before you say "get a job," there are plenty of people who already work 40 hours a week and still can't afford the treatment they need.



Depends how much you're spending and making now, but I do encourage you to do some reading about the issue.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bern...e-money-2018-7

Send their bills to you and you personally pay them. If the job their working isn't providing what they need, that's their problem not mine or anyone else's to offset.

If you're going to claim people will save, you should be able to tell us how much. Your claim wasn't dependent, why should your answer include such a claim?

You sound like the dumbasses that call claiming they can lower the interest rates on my credit cards. When I have time, I press 1 and mock them like I'm mocking you now.

[Nordberg]

Most of those countries have a higher living standard than America. And sure, I'll pay higher taxes if it means the savings make it worth it. That's why Bernie's healthcare plan is so good. Slightly higher taxes, but we save more than we're saving now.

Higher taxes but less cost. You don't have to pay for healthcare or copays. You do not have the burden of healthcare and its operation on the back of companies. That would make them immediately more competitive on a world market that competes with companies that do not have that cost. They would be able to pass some of that savings on higher wages and benefits.
Our system is just plain wrong.

[StoneByStone]

Higher taxes but less cost. You don't have to pay for healthcare or copays. You do not have the burden of healthcare and its operation on the back of companies. That would make them immediately more competitive on a world market that competes with companies that do not have that cost. They would be able to pass some of that savings on higher wages and benefits.
Our system is just plain wrong.

Unfortunately, most people are stupidly short-sighted. If I say "You'll pay more taxes, but the savings will leave you with more money," the average person only hears "You'll pay more taxes."

[MAGA MAN]

Your, actually the article's, whole arguement is blown given that socialism/capitalism isn't a dichotomy, it is not an either or choice, you don't give up a market economy by adopting socialist principles, or vica versa

The right likes to portray any mention of socialism as if it is an upheaval in the economy, nothing could be further from the truth, no economy today in the World is a straight socialist nor capitalist economy, even Cuba or China, they are all mixed economies, a little bit of both, in fact, the US has been part socialist since the 19th Century, if not before then

You failed to read the article.

[Nordberg]

Idiots talk about socialist countries that are actually Capitalistic. They look at their Ikea shelves, drive a Volvo, use a Nokia phone , watch their kids play with Lego and still think Scandanavian countries are not Capitalistic.

[Saudade]

Idiots talk about socialist countries that are actually Capitalistic. They look at their Ikea shelves, drive a Volvo, use a Nokia phone , watch their kids play with Lego and still think Scandanavian countries are not Capitalistic.

Don't be so hard on Bernie. Denmark corrected him, but I think he might understand what socialism actually means now.

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Idiots talk about socialist countries that are actually Capitalistic. They look at their Ikea shelves, drive a Volvo, use a Nokia phone , watch their kids play with Lego and still think Scandanavian countries are not Capitalistic.

That should put an end to this thread