USFREEDOM911 (02-26-2020)
It's kind of like how native black South Africans don't seem to like Africans from other regions entering their country (to put it mildly).
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/03/w...mmigrants.html
I don't think it's going to be that bad as far as racial tensions go. What we'll likely see is Latino becoming the new white. Latin America already has its equivalent concept of white, along with associated racial issues towards those of black descent and sometimes indigenous descent.
Since Latinos are the fastest growing minority, they'll probably become the majority eventually.
The main thing I'm worried about are the associated cultural issues in Latino culture. Most Latino societies have significant issues with corruption that go beyond issues of government structure. Most Latino cultures have a concept of trust that only exists within the family. Those outside of the family are generally distrusted. It's similar to how Italian culture often functions. Cronyism is more rampant in cultures that have this trust paradigm.
There is that, although that doesn't explain the exceptional hostility that native black South Africans have towards other black Africans.
There are economic reasons for some of the hostility, although there are plenty of other African nations with similar economic/unemployment issues to South Africa that do not treat immigrants in the same manner. I would argue that some of the native tribes of South Africa have more violent cultural tendencies -- like the Zulu.
Well I'm sure at some point, most white Americans will be of Latino descent, as opposed to English/German/Irish descent. But they're still going to be talked about as privileged oppressors. In South Africa, much of the racism is directed at Afrikaners, despite the people responsible for Apartheid mostly being of English descent. Like in America, people see race as the main defining feature in South Africa, so ethnicity doesn't matter as much.
I'm sure that in a generation, when Whites are the minority, and we're being oppressed like in South Africa, many Whites will claim that they're Latino, not WASP. But the anti-white crowd will say white Latinos still "benefit from and contribute to White Supremacy."
Like with Italians, the white Latinos will assimilate and become American. Though the brown Latinos will probably retain their culture in their own enclaves, which is already happening now.The main thing I'm worried about are the associated cultural issues in Latino culture. Most Latino societies have significant issues with corruption that go beyond issues of government structure. Most Latino cultures have a concept of trust that only exists within the family. Those outside of the family are generally distrusted. It's similar to how Italian culture often functions. Cronyism is more rampant in cultures that have this trust paradigm.
Yes, that's right human beings are very tribal animal. Those of the same race/ethnicity prefer to hangout with others of the same race and ethnicity. That's why this whole push for INCLUSIVITY and"DIVERSITY" by the left in the US is yet another failed socialist attempt at social engineering that has not and will not work because it contracticts a basic characteristic of human nature.
Moreover, when a government FORCES people of different races/ethnicities to live together in close proximity to each other, the result is social unrest, strife and even violent rioting.
One of many example of this is Detroit, when federal laws were changed allowing Blacks to buy and move into houses the same neighbourbood as all - white in Detroit City. The Whites promptly packed up their belongings and left to resettle in the suburbs outside the City- the phenomenon is not unique to Detroit and sociologists call it "White Flight". Today the population inside the city-limits of Detroit id 82% Black (most of the Whites have long gone) and Detroit is now an American Nightmare where there is: high unemployment, extremely high rates of murder, rape, aggravated assault; high rates of property crime; there is currently a veritable epidemic of substance abuse/addiction in the city chiefly to opiates, extremely high prevalence of individuals infected with HIV/AIDS, high rate of government Welfare dependency, city infrastructure is crumbling due to many years of neglect, vast swathes of urban blight/ urban decay riddle the city, most children are brought up in single parent (mother) families, the quality of public education is wholly unsatisfactory.
I recall reading a magagine article about the decline of Detroit and an elderly White woman who had lived in Detroit in the early 1960's, said that the white Americans of Detroit never held anything against the Blacks -(I guess she was saying they were not racist)- it was just that they did not want Black families living in the house next door or in the same street. I think she was saying that that was TOO close, and given the marked cultural differences and different social mores etc; that exist between Negroes and White Americans there would be aggravation and very possibly conflict, and White middle-class people just don't want that kind of disturbance/strife at home - home is their sanctuary. It is situated in a place surrounded by people like them who hold the same fundamental values and whom they trust and that is how they wanted it to stay.
If you are a White adult American reading this, I would say that you probably live in a middle-class neighbourhood (or, at least, your parents do). If a city council official were to advise you that you were being relocated to a majority Black or Hispanic neighbourhood somewhere in your city as part of a new national program to foster DIVERSITY and counter racial residential segregation in the community, what do you think you'd have to say to the council official ? Something along the lines of "FUCK OFF", I expect. It's not that you are a racist, it's just that you feel comfortable and content living around people who are like you in terns of their the traditions they preserve, their culture, their social manners and mores, basic morality and religious faith (if applicable) People who are, by and large are classic libertarians, as apposed to Black Africam-Americans who are naturally collectivists in terms of their basic political/cultural outlook (although I note - GOD FORBID ! GOD FORBID ! - there are a growing number of White socialists (collectivists) in the US at present.
I am restricting what I say to just one coloured race - African-Americans - though what I have to say applies equally to minority groups like Hispanics/Latinos.
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There's truth to that, although there's another factor to consider. Latinos don't tend to be as liberal about border security. Even though Democrats often try to appeal to Latinos via things like amnesty policies, plenty of Latin American countries are rather strict about immigration and earning citizenship. Even Mexico has aspects of this.
So, if Latinos do become the majority, even the political left will likely have to concede somewhat on border policies. The guilt angle won't work as well when the majority of border crossers will be of a similar ethnicity (and possibly the same ethnicity) as the majority.
So, if it reaches the point that Latinos become the majority, they won't likely be as conciliatory towards the "oppressor" rhetoric as non-Latino whites have been. Mexico isn't exactly known for appeasing their black activists, for example.
Most of Latin America is conservative on social issues as compared with America. Now, economically, they're sometimes more progressive/socialist.
To an extent, although a heavy Italian presence in many areas brought with it the mafia. It took a lot of effort on the part of the federal government to break the mafia, and a lot of the key players in the government responsible for this were not Italian themselves. Still, there are mafia elements that remain in predominantly Italian parts of the US. The same is true for many Irish parts.
The equivalent with Latinos are the cartels. It will take more vigilance than before by the federal government to crack down on cartel influence and power if America becomes predominantly Latino.
I think a distinction should be drawn between citizens and non-citizens. While I agree that diversity often breeds conflict, citizens should be equals under the law, regardless of race or ethnicity. This includes moving to wherever you want to live. People should be able to voluntarily mix or separate.
With non-citizens, things are different. If you enter a foreign country, you are a guest. You can remain in said country at the discretion of the citizens. If the majority of the citizens want you to leave or to keep you out, then that is what the policy should reflect.
The problem is that the left seems to think that non-citizens should have all of the same rights and privileges as citizens, which gets rid of the point of citizenship. Citizenship itself is a privilege. If non-citizens are essentially the same under the law, then citizenship is no longer a privilege at all.
I absolutely agree with what you say about "The Rule of Law", i.e. all men and women must be treated equally under the law , this principle is one of the great foundations of Western Civilization. I agree also that citizenship is a privilege, in ancient Rome foreign immigrants had to earn their Roman citizenship (and it wasn't easy). I am a Conservative, so I also believe that a citizen of , say, the USA, should also be an American patriot (as Trump would say at a MAGA rally: "I know you people, you love America - your hearts all bleed "Red , White and Blue"!!) If you are coming to America as a refugee or immigrant there is a process you must go through to become an American citizen, which ultimately requires yo to swear loyalty to the Constitution and respect the laws of the land, etc. I would expect that these days this is quite a perfunctory process that merely involves reading the pledges from a sheet of paper, and that many foreigners from Latin America or Africa do not really mean the words that they say and maintain allegiance to culture and traditions, etc; of their country of origin.
With regard to non-citizens in America, you have many millions of them at large in the form of illegal aliens, mostly from Latin America. I am not an American (Australian) and in my country if you are a foreign national who enters illegally you are immediately a "criminal at large"; if you are caught by the police (who always ask for valid ID when dealing with shop-lifers, drivers breaking the speed limit, any minor misdemenor) of an Immigration Official you will be placed in jail THAT night and then deported the NEXT morning; the bill for the plane flight will be forwarded to the government of your country of origin. Our federal government has no sense of humour when it comes to illegal aliens.
I think if a country, like America, has laws in place that would-be immigrants seeking to enter the US must comply with, then these laws must be observed, 100%. What I cannot understand is how it is possible for the state of California to snub its nose at this and actively encourage millions of illegal immigrants into the state ?? And not just that but provide these illegal immigrants all sorts of state and federal government benefits ???
As for the left (the socialists) their egalitarian, utopist policy of "Let's take down all of the worlds borders !!" is based on a flawed view of human nature, which they sincerely believe is malleable (but it's not) and in the giant world-wide melting pot of humanity that they are hoping to cook up, everyone will get along just fine because they will behave in a way the Party's central planners and social engineers believe is correct. Unfortunately, they have no idea of what is "correct", and never have. Chairman Mao was sure he was correct, so was Joseph Stalin, Marshall Tito and the charming Pol Pot
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