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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Like his supporters, he doesn't live in the real world and from where I sit, it looks like he's only interested in becoming President for his own personal aggrandizement.
    His supporters not only live in the real world, but are employees at these mega firms you seem determined to defend for no discernible reason.

    There's a reason most of his support comes from working class people. There's a reason he has more individual donors than everyone else combined. There's a reason he's raised more money than Trump.

    That reason isn't "moderation".

    "Moderation" by definition dampens enthusiasm and excitement, and there's no way you beat Trump unless you have both enthusiasm and excitement.
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    Bernie is a funny old man

    please run him, that's all I ask
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    simple FACT is there is no way on this green'ish' earth that the Democrats can muster up any more enthusiasm as they had with Hillary, the anointed one.
    and they lost.. so face the reality and start preparing for 2024. Otherwise you nut**bags are just torturing yourself... again
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    You asked for reasons why and I gave them to you.

    I can't help it if you have to be a solipsistic reductionist and act in bad faith because you have no real argument to make.
    A "solipsistic reductionist"????

    How long did it take you to come up with that sesquipedalian balderdash, you loquacious sophist?

    All you have are what if's, coulda-shoulda-woulda's, denial and victim fantasies.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Ah, so you mean if we nominate a centrist, suddenly the Republican obstructionism that defined the Obama Presidency will magically disappear?
    No. But those sky-pie promises are all Ol' BS is running on. Free this and free that when he knows it has zero chance. Even with a 2/3 Democrat Senate majority he'd have a hard time because Dems from conservative states wouldn't stand for it.

    So why elect him? At least a businessman like Bloomberg might have some pull with Repubs because he speaks their language and might actually present them with proposals a few of them could vote yes on.

    Ol' BS and his far left socialist agenda would get push back from both sides.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    His supporters not only live in the real world, but are employees at these mega firms you seem determined to defend for no discernible reason.

    There's a reason most of his support comes from working class people. There's a reason he has more individual donors than everyone else combined. There's a reason he's raised more money than Trump.

    That reason isn't "moderation".

    "Moderation" by definition dampens enthusiasm and excitement, and there's no way you beat Trump unless you have both enthusiasm and excitement.
    Getting Trump out of office should be motivation enough for the little babies whose only desire is to be excited about something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    His supporters not only live in the real world, but are employees at these mega firms you seem determined to defend for no discernible reason.

    There's a reason most of his support comes from working class people. There's a reason he has more individual donors than everyone else combined. There's a reason he's raised more money than Trump.

    That reason isn't "moderation".

    "Moderation" by definition dampens enthusiasm and excitement, and there's no way you beat Trump unless you have both enthusiasm and excitement.
    Trump actually stole many of Bernie's policy stances but lied about actually implementing them. The grifter realized that a populist would garner momentum and traction so he falsely made then his own.
    BLUEXIT
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    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    We cut the corporate rates for the same reason that Europe maintains low rates. That was the single most important aspect of the entire tax package. Now, obviously, the treatment of individual rates was not remotely European in nature.

    From a practical standpoint, individual rates do not effect the economy the way that business taxes do. The argument for lower individual rates is basically "Murricah!" I think I saw a stat that paying for the welfare state in Europe can run individuals close to 60% of their earnings.
    Conservatives said that cutting the corporate tax rate would spur business investment.

    But we now know that business investment has tapered off and wasn't even really there to begin with:

    A DECLINE IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT REVEALS THE FALSE PROMISE OF DRUMPF’S TAX BILL
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...rumps-tax-bill

    Drumpf handed big business a massive tax cut, and all he got in return was embarrassment
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...failure-2020-1

    As investment continues to decline, the Drumpf tax cuts remain nothing but a handout to the rich
    https://www.epi.org/blog/as-investme...t-to-the-rich/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    All you have are what if's, coulda-shoulda-woulda's, denial and victim fantasies.
    All you do is dismiss uncomfortable things because you don't want to admit your conventional wisdom has been wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    No. But those sky-pie promises are all Ol' BS is running on. Free this and free that when he knows it has zero chance. Even with a 2/3 Democrat Senate majority he'd have a hard time because Dems from conservative states wouldn't stand for it.
    Calling it "free" is dishonest. It's sophistry. It's free-at-the-point-of-service, but it's funded by taxes.

    At this point, pretending it's "free" in order to attack it is a lie.



    So why elect him? At least a businessman like Bloomberg might have some pull with Repubs because he speaks their language and might actually present them with proposals a few of them could vote yes on.
    What language does Bloomberg speak? The language of racist idiots? So...why would we want racist idiots leading us?

    And again, did you forget about how the GOP obstructed everything during Obama? Why would they suddenly not obstruct Bloomberg?


    Ol' BS and his far left socialist agenda would get push back from both sides.
    As would any moderate or centrist, like we saw during Obama's Presidency.

    So better to have someone who fights for working people than someone who doesn't.


    Getting Drumpf out of office should be motivation enough for the little babies whose only desire is to be excited about something.
    So then if Sanders is the nominee, we can count on your vote? because you said before that you wouldn't vote for Sanders if he was the nominee. So now you're doing the very thing you accuse Bernie supproters of doing, only you're being a gigantic douchebag about it.

    We did things your way in 2016, and you blew it.

    So why should anyone take you seriously in 2020?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    How long did it take you to come up with that sesquipedalian balderdash, you loquacious sophist?
    Not long at all because it's what you did, and it's what you continue to do.

    You think your vote is somehow more important than someone else's, which is why you want to depress enthusiasm so that your vote will mean more.

    You correctly realize that the more people who vote, the less significant your individual vote is...and you have a very solipsistic view of your own worth, hence why I called your responses solopsistic. The only reason you oppose Bernie is because he brings more people into the tent, thus diminishing your status and significance as the vote people try to get. Your ego is so massive that you think everyone must accommodate you and your shitty conventional wisdom. Wisdom that didn't produce a win just four years ago, or 2 years before that, or 4 years before that.

    You were a PUMA in 2008, weren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Calling it "free" is dishonest. It's sophistry. It's free-at-the-point-of-service, but it's funded by taxes.

    At this point, pretending it's "free" in order to attack it is a lie.
    Well DUH!!!!

    That is my entire point, Einstooge!!!!!

    You and your fellow bots are the ones who've been buffaloed by the false promise of freebies.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    What language does Bloomberg speak? The language of racist idiots? So...why would we want racist idiots leading us?
    No, little SJW snowflake, he speaks the language of BUSINESS.

    COMMERCE.

    JOBS.

    ECONOMIC GROWTH.

    PROSPERITY.

    As opposed to Ol' BS who speaks of pipe dreams and flowery utopian visions the type of which have been repeated over and over again but never come to fruition once reality sets in.

    As for your racist accusations, as soon as you start that nonsense, your credibility, limited though it was, dries up and blows away in the hot airbag wind of your blowhard rhetoric.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    And again, did you forget about how the GOP obstructed everything during Obama? Why would they suddenly not obstruct Bloomberg?
    Not saying they wouldn't but he'd have a better shot at accomplishing something than a doddering old socialist who everyone in the Senate already hates and has no respect for.

    If Ol' BS appealed to his followers for policies other than freebie giveaways we cannot afford and pandering to SJW nitwits, I might give him a little consideration.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    As would any moderate or centrist, like we saw during Obama's Presidency.

    So better to have someone who fights for working people than someone who doesn't.
    He can fight all he wants, but winning is another matter. If you're naive enough to believe he will single-handedly change the way govt functions or end the influence of money over power, you should just stick to your Barbie dolls, stuffed animals and having tea-parties with your girlfriends while your old Unca' Bernie tells you fairy tales.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So then if Sanders is the nominee, we can count on your vote? because you said before that you wouldn't vote for Sanders if he was the nominee. So now you're doing the very thing you accuse Bernie supproters of doing, only you're being a gigantic douchebag about it.
    No. I'd rather see another four years of Trump get shoved down the throats of people like so you get to choke on it everyday and realize how full of shit you are. Of course, like all self-deluded extremists, you'd figure out a way to deny that it was you all who were wrong and that everyone else who screwed the country.

    Trump with a solid blue Congress to keep is ass reigned in tight would be better than listening to Ol' BS yammering like a Loon about revolution while knowing everyday he could be on the verge of another heart attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    We did things your way in 2016, and you blew it.

    So why should anyone take you seriously in 2020?
    Bernie and his thick-skulled moron legion of bots divided the loyalties of the Democratic Party.

    Stop blaming everyone else for your own stupidity.

    IDGAF who or what you take seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    That is my entire point, Einstooge!!!!! You and your fellow bots are the ones who've been buffaloed by the false promise of freebies.
    None of us believe it's free.

    We all know it's funded by taxes.

    So it would seem you are the one being taken for a ride by promises of "free stuff".

    Who told you it would be "free stuff", and why do you believe it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    No, little SJW snowflake, he speaks the language of BUSINESS.
    Yeah, heard the same thing about Trump.

    Government isn't a business, and running government as a business doesn't work, like we saw during Bush the Dumber and now during Trump.


    COMMERCE.
    JOBS.
    ECONOMIC GROWTH.
    PROSPERITY.
    WORDS.

    LETTERS.

    THINGS.

    VAGUE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    As opposed to Ol' BS who speaks of pipe dreams and flowery utopian visions the type of which have been repeated over and over again but never come to fruition once reality sets in.
    How do you know they wouldn't work or come to fruition?

    In 1963 no one thought there'd be Medicare.

    But then two years later, there was.


    As for your racist accusations, as soon as you start that nonsense, your credibility, limited though it was, dries up and blows away in the hot airbag wind of your blowhard rhetoric.
    If Bloomberg and his allies cannot withstand criticism like this, how the fuck are they going to withstand it from Trump?

    We've all seen Bloomberg's quotes about stop and frisk, and racial profiling, and redlining.

    Are they things you agree with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    r racist accusations, as soon as you start that nonsense, your credibility, limited though it was, dries up and blows away in the hot airbag wind of your blowhard rhetoric.
    What does Bloomberg have to do to prove to you that he's a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Not saying they wouldn't but he'd have a better shot at accomplishing something than a doddering old socialist who everyone in the Senate already hates and has no respect for.
    How many pieces of legislation did Bloomberg get through the Senate? None.

    But back up...you're not saying they wouldn't obstruct Bloomberg now? So they will obstruct him, just like they obstructed Obama.

    So why should Democrats vote for a guy who was a member of the party that obstructed Obama, as recent as 2018?

    Just say you want an oligarchy.
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