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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I'm not sure how you can look at the electoral losses the Democratic Party suffered from 2009-2016, the embarrassment that was the process of selecting the nominee in 2016, the embarrassment that was the way the Iowa caucus was run this year, the embarrassment that despite M4A being a part of the platform the establish candidates won't back it, the persistence of dark money, billionaires, and Super PACs that influence pundits, and not think that party needs to be burned to the fucking ground and rebuilt to represent the working class.

    Do you think the Democratic Party is just fine? Just A-OK? That there's no institutional problems in it? That it's perfect? That it adequately represents the working class?

    Cuz I don't.




    Donald Trump is a fucking idiot who is in over his head.

    Bernie would carve him up.

    how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I was leaning toward Warren in 2019, but Bernie's scale and breadth of donor base, volunteers, and support among working class people and POC are what tips me toward Sanders now.

    But I'd be totally OK with Warren as the nominee too. After what she did to Bloomberg last night, I think Trump would be too scared to debate her.
    Yea, I'm ok with Warren too. I wasn't happy about that controversy between her and bernie a month ago, but last night made up for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Not the USA but bernie
    Sure buddy. Keep saying that while supporting the same neo-liberal philosophy that got Trump elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    and the right will make a this into Sanders death knell
    They are going to call anyone the Democrats nominate a socialist.

    Just like they did to Obama.

    Just like they did to Clinton.

    Just like they do to Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, Biden.

    They are going to call whoever the D nominee is, a socialist or communist or worse.

    We have to stop caring about what those people think because we don't give a shit about them. We should care what the 95 million people who didn't vote in 2016 think, and I am willing to bet that the reason they didn't vote in 2016 was because they had nothing to vote for, nothing that excited them, nothing that got them enthusiastic.

    You're never, ever, ever going to increase voter enthusiasm by embracing "moderation".

    Moderation by definition is not enthusiasm or excitement.

    And we went along with your moderate candidates in 2016, 2014, and 2010...and we lost the WH in 2016, the Senate in 2014, and the House in 2010.

    You need to spur turnout, and you don't spur turnout by ignoring the largest donor base and the most diverse support. You let them lead, and you follow, just like we let y'all lead and we followed in 2016.

    It's your turn to suck it up and vote blue no matter who. We did things your way throughout the 2010's and it didn't work. So if it doesn't work, why continue doing it?

    Would you vote for Sanders if he's the nominee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Bernie is the worst choice


    when he knew Hilary was going to win MORE electors than him last go round he wanted the Democratic convention to broker the choice


    Now when he thinks hes going to have the most because the votes are split a million ways he wants it to be mere "who has the MOST"

    even though the rules are SET

    if NO ONE gets a certain amount its a brokered convention

    he cant get to that number even if he has the most in the end


    His shit is obvious



    he cant win because of his socialist name insistence


    he hates the democratic party and trashes all the time


    he only registers with my party when he wants to run for president and when he loses he Immediately leave the party


    Trump wants him to be the pick
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Not the USA but bernie
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    and the right will make a this into Sanders death knell


    I don't care about the label


    but I also don't pretend its about ONLY what I think of the label


    You see

    everyone votes not just me


    The rights cheating helpers like Russia and others now because we did nothing to stop them ( thank the republican party) will be in full force


    WE ARE GOING TO NEED EVERY AMERICAN VOTE WE CAN FIND


    Bernie wont be able to get them ( even if he has the Democratic nod)
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    oh and the party of Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Shiff and me


    does not need to be burned to the ground asshole
    No shit!!!!

    Lookit you'n-me agreein' on shee-it 'n you kickin' dat bitch's ass!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    You see everyone votes not just me
    Ah, but not everyone votes!

    That's the point.

    95 million people didn't vote in 2016.

    If you want to have any hope of beating Trump, you're going to have to convince some of those 95 million non-voters to vote, and do you think it would be easier to get them to vote for moderation or get them to vote for something that truly excites them, that can help them, that is wildly popular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Bernie wont be able to get them ( even if he has the Democratic nod)
    So even though Bernie is the only candidate bringing in huge swaths of first time voters you don't think there will be enough votes? This would suggest "blue no matter who" is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    They are going to call anyone the Democrats nominate a socialist.

    Just like they did to Obama.

    Just like they did to Clinton.

    Just like they do to Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, Biden.

    They are going to call whoever the D nominee is, a socialist or communist or worse.

    We have to stop caring about what those people think because we don't give a shit about them. We should care what the 95 million people who didn't vote in 2016 think, and I am willing to bet that the reason they didn't vote in 2016 was because they had nothing to vote for, nothing that excited them, nothing that got them enthusiastic.

    You're never, ever, ever going to increase voter enthusiasm by embracing "moderation".

    Moderation by definition is not enthusiasm or excitement.

    And we went along with your moderate candidates in 2016, 2014, and 2010...and we lost the WH in 2016, the Senate in 2014, and the House in 2010.

    You need to spur turnout, and you don't spur turnout by ignoring the largest donor base and the most diverse support. You let them lead, and you follow, just like we let y'all lead and we followed in 2016.

    It's your turn to suck it up and vote blue no matter who. We did things your way throughout the 2010's and it didn't work. So if it doesn't work, why continue doing it?

    Would you vote for Sanders if he's the nominee?
    No other Democrat nominee has CALLED THEMSELVES a socialist, dim-bulb.

    They are going to use that to pound on BS with that like a hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Ah, but not everyone votes!

    That's the point.

    95 million people didn't vote in 2016.

    If you want to have any hope of beating Trump, you're going to have to convince some of those 95 million non-voters to vote, and do you think it would be easier to get them to vote for moderation or get them to vote for something that truly excites them, that can help them, that is wildly popular?
    I'm still waiting for the so called moderate (Republican-lite) who inspires this kind of energy.

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    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Leftist View Post
    Yea, I'm ok with Warren too. I wasn't happy about that controversy between her and bernie a month ago, but last night made up for it.
    Warren loves my Democratic party and never hired TAD DEVINE ( a Paul Manifort employee who helped the Russians elect the Putin butt boy there)


    She is an awesome person and I would vote for her with NO qualms

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    The rights cheating helpers like Russia and others now because we did nothing to stop them ( thank the republican party) will be in full force
    Right, but the only way to combat that is to increase voter turnout to such high levels, the GOP cannot steal the election without making it painfully obvious.

    The only way to increase voter turnout is to get non-voters excited and enthusiastic to vote.

    How do you do that when what you're offering is watered-down moderation? (<--Not a hypothetical question)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    I'm still waiting for the so called moderate that inspires this kind of energy.

    the NON Bernie vote is spilt like five ways right now

    Bernie is getting like 25% of the Democratic party vote ( you know the ones you HATE and don't need )

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    WE ARE GOING TO NEED EVERY AMERICAN VOTE WE CAN FIND
    Right, and Bernie is bringing new voters to the polls. He's bringing new voices to his campaign. He's reaching non-voters and getting them to come out to vote for him.

    Just imagine how many he could turn out if the Democratic Party actually backed him and applied its apparatus to voter turnout initiatives?

    As far as I can tell, the rest of them (except for Warren) think they can beat Trump by just re-running the same playbook we ran in 2016 and not expanding the voter base and turnout.

    Only Warren and Sanders are the two candidates with either a plan or a track record of turning out new and non-voters. No one else running can claim that.

    We don't need moderates to win elections. We just need turnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Right, but the only way to combat that is to increase voter turnout to such high levels, the GOP cannot steal the election without making it painfully obvious.

    The only way to increase voter turnout is to get non-voters excited and enthusiastic to vote.

    How do you do that when what you're offering is watered-down moderation? (<--Not a hypothetical question)
    stop LYING about all the REAL Democratic party choices


    hes would be BURIED if there were not 5 others vying for the spot


    oh and you don't win votes by telling people their beloved party needs to be murdered and buried

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