Daddyo (02-27-2020)
Anyone who wants to abolish ICE and CBP wants open borders, whether they admit it or not.
If you get rid of the agencies tasked with enforcing immigration policies and border security, you are advocating for open borders.
If you demand that detainment ends, it's the same thing as well.
Daddyo (02-27-2020)
read the new way forward bill.
morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.
Trump Wins,
by definition https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump
Saudade (02-27-2020)
[QUOTE=Daddyo;3503818]Unlike you, child, I have never been brainwashed, know something about Marx and about socialism, and spent much of my early life arguing with brainwashed Stalinists. On the whole they were mildly more open-minded than your goodself. Capitalism kills millions, as you know, as if battles for markets to exploit. The USSR, like other capitalist states, took its share in the work. Does it never trouble you that the nearest puppy knows more about the world than you do?
[QUOTE=Daddyo;3505529] Nobody is pushing socialism unless you define it as providing healthcare and safety nets for citizens. If that is it, I am all for it. Quit talking about what you think is your expertise. Prove it by the posts, not your spurious claims.
America is turning into a plutocracy and it not by serendipity. It is a long term plan by the super-wealthy who have made real programs and policies to create it. Like Trump's stupid tax bill. It crankled up the debt, moved more wealth to the top and did practically nothing for the people. he walked in Mira Lago and announced he made them all a bit richer.
Bernie was a socialist long ago. It is a label he once was happy with. But he has worked in the American system for 50 years. We know who he is. We know who Trump is too, and it is ugly.
So 2 people might have once been against ICE. That is real movement you are discussing, isn't it? You made a claim and then looked it up and found 2 . You worry too much about what will never happen. There will be no open borders. Both Repugs and Dems have built and maintained fences and walls where they are needed. Trump bragged about the new fencing when it was just continuing Obama's project of repairing existing fences. ICE has been used politically and abusively. That should be abolished.
I already know. it is very few people and you making a lot out of nothing. there is no threat to ICE. they are not going anywhere. but they certainly could use some adult supervision. They work for the wealthy, Companies hire lots of illegals and they get a warning when ICE is coming. Mulvaney said we need a lot of immigrants for labor. ICE is corrupted,.
Its virtually the entire demonrat party.
Employers of illegals definitely need to be held accountable. If we started to send them to prison over breaking federal laws, then I think a good portion of the problem would be solved.
I know why your side wants to pretend it's nothing, however. Eventually, you want illegals to get amnesty, which would mean a lot of new voters for your side.
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