Saudade (02-06-2020)
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Although this is new to Nature, it's not new to other journals. Here is one in Atmospheric Environment back in 2011.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...52231011009241
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Saudade (02-06-2020)
Oh no, it can only be CO2. No way a massive hole in the ozone layer can make a difference.
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Saudade (02-06-2020)
No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing. The ozone is not being depleted. It is not possible to deplete it.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Arctic. There are not enough thermometers.
It is not possible to measure the global sea level. There is no valid reference point.
The ozone was not being depleted. We couldn't destroy the ozone layer even if we wanted to.
Ozone is continuously created by the action of UV-B sunlight on oxygen in the atmosphere.
Science isn't a paper. It is a set of falsifiable theories. The 'hole' over Antarctica occurs during that pole's winter, when there is no sunlight. Another one forms in the Arctic pole during its winter for the same reason. You need sunlight to produce ozone.
CFC's do not react with ozone. You can put them into a tank of ozone and nothing happens.
CFCs do not react with ozone.
CFCs do not react with ozone.
No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing.
Science is a 'study' or a 'reserach'. Articles from religious magazines are religious in nature. The Church of Global Warming is a false religion. It denies science and mathematics.
Columbia University has a lot of stupid people in it. It has a lot of smart ones too. Bigotry.
Describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
CFCs do not react with ozone.
No gas or vapor can warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You really like to ignore the 1st law of thermodynamics. Define 'global warming'. This is a meaningless buzzphrase.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Arctic.
Never mind the volcanic ridge active under the Arctic during that time or anything...
No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing.
Describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating any law of physics.
Redefinition fallacy (dissolve<->disassociate).
The ozone layer is not being depleted. It never was.
CFCs don't react with ozone. You fell hook line and sinker for DuPont's ruse. They fabricated the whole scare because their patent on R-12 was expiring.
CFCs don't react with ozone.
Irrelevent. CFCs don't react with ozone.
...in the winter, when there is no sunlight. Therefore NO HARMFUL ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT reached the surface. The penguins are fine.
Nope. POLITICIANS did. The Church of the Ozone Hole did. They deny science. Science is not scientists.
Yup. They fell for the ruse.
Meh. It's only effect was to force people to use R134a, which is under a NEW patent by DuPont.
CFCs don't react with ozone.
CFCs don't react with ozone.
Define 'climate change. This is another meaningless phrase.
Computer programs are not data. Argument from randU fallacy.
Computer models are not data. CFCs do not react with ozone. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm anything. You can't create energy out of nothing.
They showed NOTHING. Computer programs are not data. Argument from randU fallacy.
They are not scientists. They deny science, specifically the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. They deny chemistry as well.
Computer programs are not data.
Consensus is not used in science. No scientist or group of scientists is science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not people at all.
Science isn't a government agency, university, credential, license, or any political group. Science does not require blessings by the Holy Priests.
A bogus treaty about a non-problem.
Meh.
Define 'climate mitigation'. CFCs don't react with ozone. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing.
Define 'global warming'. It's a religious story. It is fiction.
Quoting Church of Global Warming scripture or Church of the Ozone Hole scripture is not science.
cancel2 2022 (02-07-2020)
Can you tell me the institution where you studied thermodynamics and atmospheric chemistry, because they ought to be shutdown? I don't propose going through that load of bollocks yet again but suffice to say that CFCs do react with ozone (O3). The action of sunlight causes chlorine to be produced which then reacts with O3 to form chlorine monoxide (ClO) and oxygen (O2).
Cl + O3 = ClO + O2
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Nope. Sunlight does not cause CFCs to be turned into chlorine. IF something does cause CFCs to disassociate (such as fire), chlorine is released, but it's so reactive it will react with something else long before it gets anywhere near the ozone layer. The ozone layer is continuously produced by the action of UV-B sunlight on oxygen. Ozone is also destroyed by UV-C sunlight near the top of the stratosphere. We can't destroy the ozone layer even if we wanted to.
cancel2 2022 (02-07-2020)
So you understand that but can't understand how CO2 absorbs long wave infra-red radiation , especially around 15 microns, from the Earth's surface. Maybe this PDF will help explain the process and the Schwarzschild equations for radiative transfer?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1581141422117
Yeh well there's more to it than that, don't attempt to deny it as it just makes you look ignorant.
https://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1606
Why is the inside of a car hotter than the outdoor temperature on a sunny summer day?
This phenomenon -whereby the inside of a car gets really very hot, much hotter than the outside -is known as the GREENHOUSE effect.
This is what happens. Sun light travels from the sun in the visible part of the spectrum (i.e. we can see it!) and strikes the inside surface of the car. The sunlight is absorbed by the surface of the car (say the dashboard and the carpet) and since radiation is energy, the absorption of the visible radiation causes the surface that is struck to heat up. Now---- and this is the key part---- EVERY OBJECT emits energy at a wave length that is a function of the temperature of the object. Human beings around 100 deg F emit radiation in the INFRARED part of the spectrum. The human EYE cannot see this emitted radiation unless one uses special Goggles that enable this radiation to be converted to a range that the eye CAN see. In fact, this principle is the basis for NIGHT VISION goggles. Also SNAKES that catch rodents in the desert at night have such IR heat sensors!!!...
At any rate, sunlight falls on the carpet of your car and then the carpet RE RADIATES that, the absorbed visible (short wave length) energy in the IR (long wave length) part of the spectrum. BUT water vapor and CO2 in the air in your car will ABSORB this re-radiated IR energy (the water and CO2 is transparent to the incoming visible radiation) and so the heat gets trapped in your car. This is because the incoming visible light gets absorbed and re-radiated at longer wave lengths and these long wave lengths are TRAPPED by the small amount of water vapor and CO2 present in the car.
NEVER EVER leave a PET or a small child in such a situation... even if the temp outside is say 70 deg F which is not so hot, the interior of a car can easily exceed 100 deg F.
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Last edited by cancel2 2022; 02-19-2020 at 11:04 PM.
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“Arctic Surprise…Sensational Study In Nature”: Large Part Of 20th Century Warming Attributed To CFCs
By Professor Fritz Vahrenholt
A few days ago, an international research group from the USA, Canada and Switzerland led by Lorenzo Polvani of Columbia University (New York) published a sensational study in Nature climate change, which attributes a large part of the warming of the 20th century to CFCs (“Substantial twentieth-century Arctic warming caused by ozone-depleting substances“).
https://notrickszone.com/2020/02/19/...buted-to-cfcs/
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