It's Really Bad Now.

[Saudade]

See, that's what I mean. There is no compelled speech by the Canadian government. The fact that he regularly misgenders people, and hasn't been arrested, shows that.
Peterson promotes the Cultural Marxist conspiracy theory, which is a reoccurring theme in his speeches. His lies about it being illegal to misgender people is part of that narrative.

Cultural Marxism is a lot more than just a conspiracy theory. And compelled speech is certainly in place in the UK.

Until the court finally deferred the related case, Canada had an issue with some trans woman named Jessica Yaniv that was trying to force various salons to "wax her balls". When they refused, "she" tried to sue them. So while that isn't compelled speech, it is compelling businesses to succumb to sheer lunacy.

Intersectionality is a component of Cultural Marxism, and it defines the left at this point.

[StoneByStone]

Cultural Marxism is a lot more than just a conspiracy theory. And compelled speech is certainly in place in the UK.

It's not that there is compelled speech, it's that there are things they can't say. Hate speech is illegal, but nobody is forced to talk positively about things.

Until the court finally deferred the related case, Canada had an issue with some trans woman named Jessica Yaniv that was trying to force various salons to "wax her balls". When they refused, "she" tried to sue them. So while that isn't compelled speech, it is compelling businesses to succumb to sheer lunacy.

So personally, I think that a business should be allowed to refuse any customer for whatever reason they want. But in most Western countries, it's illegal to refuse service to people based on things like race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and age (as long as legally an adult). So this case wasn't about the Cultural Marxists forcing us all to bow down before trans people. It was a case about discrimination in a country that doesn't allow discrimination.

Intersectionality is a component of Cultural Marxism, and it defines the left at this point.

There's no such thing as Cultural Marxism. Germany is one of the most left-wing countries in the world, it's the birthplace of Karl Marx, and Communism is totally dead there. Germany's two biggest Marxist political parties are the DKP and the KABD. Neither party ever gets more than 1% of the vote.

[Saudade]

It's not that there is compelled speech, it's that there are things they can't say. Hate speech is illegal, but nobody is forced to talk positively about things.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

Defining "misgendering" as hate speech is compelled pronouns. They essentially have thought crimes at this point.

So personally, I think that a business should be allowed to refuse any customer for whatever reason they want. But in most Western countries, it's illegal to refuse service to people based on things like race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and age (as long as legally an adult). So this case wasn't about the Cultural Marxists forcing us all to bow down before trans people. It was a case about discrimination in a country that doesn't allow discrimination.

Western societies do allow discrimination, just not discrimination against protected groups. But if the law creates a situation where someone with male genitalia is supposed to be serviced the same way as someone with female genitalia in a business that is only intended for someone with a female body, then we're talking about lunacy. That's what Yaniv effectively showed us.

In short, it's time to go back to the freedom of association. Including gender identity in anti-discriminatory law has become a liability that can and will lead to all sorts of idiocy. We've already seen it ruin women's sports.

There's no such thing as Cultural Marxism. Germany is one of the most left-wing countries in the world, it's the birthplace of Karl Marx, and Communism is totally dead there. Germany's two biggest Marxist political parties are the DKP and the KABD. Neither party ever gets more than 1% of the vote.

I wouldn't say it's dead there, but there are plenty of other nations with more of a Marxist presence. You see more of it in Spain and in parts of Latin America. There are also pockets of it in Asia.

That's beside the point, however. Cultural Marxism has more in common with modern progressivism than with Stalinism, Maoism, or Trotskyism. Intersectionality is the most relevant aspect of it, because it took a Marxist way of looking at the world and applied it to modern identity politics.

When a large portion of the left is fixated on race, sex, sexual orientation, and now gender identity, it leads to some crazy policies. The push for compelled pronouns is just the beginning.

[Celticguy]

Dontcha love it when lefties try to make their insanity seem reasonable and normal ?

[StoneByStone]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

Defining "misgendering" as hate speech is compelled pronouns. They essentially have thought crimes at this point.

This guy wasn't arrested, he just lost his job. And a "thought crime" is when opinions are illegal. In the UK, you can still deny the existence of trans people, you can even be a dick about it. But just like in any country, if you're a dick about something, you might lose your job.

And Jordan Peterson is Canadian, anyway. There is no Canadian law that compels people to use the right pronouns. Peterson made this up in order to push the narrative that Cultural Marxists are subverting the West so that they can implement Communism.

Western societies do allow discrimination, just not discrimination against protected groups. But if the law creates a situation where someone with male genitalia is supposed to be serviced the same way as someone with female genitalia in a business that is only intended for someone with a female body, then we're talking about lunacy. That's what Yaniv effectively showed us.

Sure, but that's not a transgender issue, it's an anti-discrimination issue. It's stupid to not allow someone to have a business that is only for women. But the West has laws against that kind of thing and there are plenty of cases like this one that get ignored, simply because they're not sensationalist enough.

In short, it's time to go back to the freedom of association. Including gender identity in anti-discriminatory law has become a liability that can and will lead to all sorts of idiocy. We've already seen it ruin women's sports.

Hey, I'm an Ethnic Nationalist, I'm all for freedom of association. But that should be the issue, not singling out the LGBT crowd.

I wouldn't say it's dead there, but there are plenty of other nations with more of a Marxist presence. You see more of it in Spain and in parts of Latin America. There are also pockets of it in Asia.

That's beside the point, however. Cultural Marxism has more in common with modern progressivism than with Stalinism, Maoism, or Trotskyism. Intersectionality is the most relevant aspect of it, because it took a Marxist way of looking at the world and applied it to modern identity politics.

When a large portion of the left is fixated on race, sex, sexual orientation, and now gender identity, it leads to some crazy policies. The push for compelled pronouns is just the beginning.

Cultural Marxism is the theory that Communists are using liberal ideas to subvert the West so that we'll accept Communism. Supposedly, Cultural Marxists were behind Atheism, women's rights, LGBT rights, the sexual revolution, abortion, and so on.
So while Communism is more common in Latin America, those countries are very socially conservative, and thus not part of the Cultural Marxist conspiracy. Liberal countries, such as Germany and Sweden, have completely rejected Communism. Perhaps ironically, the Soviet Union and Maoist China were also extremely conservative.

Intersectionality is just the acceptance that a person's life experiences are determined by multiple identities. I've had the white experience, but I've also had the female experience. Intersectionality would be saying that both experiences have contributed to my overall experiences as a person.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

This guy wasn't arrested, he just lost his job. And a "thought crime" is when opinions are illegal. In the UK, you can still deny the existence of trans people, you can even be a dick about it. But just like in any country, if you're a dick about something, you might lose your job.

And Jordan Peterson is Canadian, anyway. There is no Canadian law that compels people to use the right pronouns. Peterson made this up in order to push the narrative that Cultural Marxists are subverting the West so that they can implement Communism.



Sure, but that's not a transgender issue, it's an anti-discrimination issue. It's stupid to not allow someone to have a business that is only for women. But the West has laws against that kind of thing and there are plenty of cases like this one that get ignored, simply because they're not sensationalist enough.



Hey, I'm an Ethnic Nationalist, I'm all for freedom of association. But that should be the issue, not singling out the LGBT crowd.



Cultural Marxism is the theory that Communists are using liberal ideas to subvert the West so that we'll accept Communism. Supposedly, Cultural Marxists were behind Atheism, women's rights, LGBT rights, the sexual revolution, abortion, and so on.
So while Communism is more common in Latin America, those countries are very socially conservative, and thus not part of the Cultural Marxist conspiracy. Liberal countries, such as Germany and Sweden, have completely rejected Communism. Perhaps ironically, the Soviet Union and Maoist China were also extremely conservative.

Intersectionality is just the acceptance that a person's life experiences are determined by multiple identities. I've had the white experience, but I've also had the female experience. Intersectionality would be saying that both experiences have contributed to my overall experiences as a person.

Bill C-16 is a federal, government-sponsored bill titled “An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code”. The amendments add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

[Nordberg]

Gus Hall ran for president of the Us in 1980 and 84 as a communist. The party was on the ballot. It still is in some states.

[StoneByStone]

Bill C-16 is a federal, government-sponsored bill titled “An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code”. The amendments add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Yes, it's illegal to discriminate against someone for their gender identity in Canada. It's also illegal to discriminate against someone for their race, nationality, religion, and such. It's not Cultural Marxism or "Postmodernism," it's just slightly expanding a law that already existed. Douches like Peterson are still allowed to misgender people, he's just not allowed to discriminate against someone for being trans.

[Saudade]

This guy wasn't arrested, he just lost his job. And a "thought crime" is when opinions are illegal. In the UK, you can still deny the existence of trans people, you can even be a dick about it. But just like in any country, if you're a dick about something, you might lose your job.

What you call being a dick, I call being honest. Granted, the West has accepted this gender identity nonsense as truth. Things like this are exactly why the West is in decline.

And Jordan Peterson is Canadian, anyway. There is no Canadian law that compels people to use the right pronouns. Peterson made this up in order to push the narrative that Cultural Marxists are subverting the West so that they can implement Communism.

Communism is more closely connected to the Democratic Socialists that have been rising in influence. Cultural Marxists are more focused on social agendas than economic ones.

Sure, but that's not a transgender issue, it's an anti-discrimination issue. It's stupid to not allow someone to have a business that is only for women. But the West has laws against that kind of thing and there are plenty of cases like this one that get ignored, simply because they're not sensationalist enough.


Hey, I'm an Ethnic Nationalist, I'm all for freedom of association. But that should be the issue, not singling out the LGBT crowd.

Fair enough.

Cultural Marxism is the theory that Communists are using liberal ideas to subvert the West so that we'll accept Communism. Supposedly, Cultural Marxists were behind Atheism, women's rights, LGBT rights, the sexual revolution, abortion, and so on.
So while Communism is more common in Latin America, those countries are very socially conservative, and thus not part of the Cultural Marxist conspiracy. Liberal countries, such as Germany and Sweden, have completely rejected Communism. Perhaps ironically, the Soviet Union and Maoist China were also extremely conservative.

Well, breaking down societal structures is usually something that foreign influences prefer to do to enemies rather than to themselves. Granted, the brand of "conservatism" that Mao had did not resemble most other forms of it. Mao was very anti-religion, for example.

Intersectionality is just the acceptance that a person's life experiences are determined by multiple identities. I've had the white experience, but I've also had the female experience. Intersectionality would be saying that both experiences have contributed to my overall experiences as a person.

It's a bit more than that. It encourages people to obsess over perceived oppression and "microaggressions."

[Saudade]

Yes, it's illegal to discriminate against someone for their gender identity in Canada. It's also illegal to discriminate against someone for their race, nationality, religion, and such. It's not Cultural Marxism or "Postmodernism," it's just slightly expanding a law that already existed. Douches like Peterson are still allowed to misgender people, he's just not allowed to discriminate against someone for being trans.

Peterson isn't a douche, but most of his critics are.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

We should pause for a moment to remember that being a Fascist or a Communist is not illegal in America.
The framers were not so vain and consumed by hubris to construct an absolute constitution.

They formed a constitution where the government of the United States can be legally and peacefully overthrown....by free elections and legally executed constitutional amendments.

Now we have what was once the "Party of Lincoln" actually doing what Fascists and Communists never achieved in America. They are in the process of overthrowing the government by way of compromised elections and by totally ignoring the constitution.

The Republican Party of 2020 is, by any reasonable and learned standard, a criminal enterprise.
While there are theoretically no illegal political parties in America, treason is in fact illegal, and from here forward, being a Republican is treasonous in nature.
They are not about free and honest elections, and they're not about following the guidelines of the constitution.

Their leaders are about serving the crooked oligarchs.
Their low information followers are willing to stand against their own economic and social best interests,

this in order to back leaders who will encourage their racism, xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, religious zealotry, homophobia, misogyny, and freedom from social responsibility.

We've crossed the threshold. It was not always the case, I'm sure, but today, there is no such thing as an honorable Republican. They're all treasonous criminals.

shut your hole, goofball.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Yes, it's illegal to discriminate against someone for their gender identity in Canada. It's also illegal to discriminate against someone for their race, nationality, religion, and such. It's not Cultural Marxism or "Postmodernism," it's just slightly expanding a law that already existed. Douches like Peterson are still allowed to misgender people, he's just not allowed to discriminate against someone for being trans.

but you could also get in trouble for not using preferred pronouns, that's compelled speech, a line we shouldn't cross.

just my opinion. we can agree to disagree.