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    Way back when in 1993 when the Maastricht Treaty legitimated the European Union I was convinced the EU would implode in 10 years. I missed the mark by 16 years. Happily, the end is near.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...93#post3220093





    Britain’s iconic Union Flag was ceremoniously lowered, folded, and taken away in the European Council building in Brussels ahead of Brexit at 11 p.m. on January 31st.

    WATCH: Moment British Flag Comes Down in Brussels – BREXIT DONE
    by Jack Montgomery
    31 Jan 2020

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...s-brexit-done/

    Removing the Stars & Stripes from U.N. Headquarters is next:



    The removal should be immediately followed by the Army Corps of Engineers dynamiting that eyesore out of existence before the bums have it designated a historical site.


    Finally, did you know that Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were Socialists? Think about it. They spent most of their time plugging the United Nations! Many Star Trek episodes dealt with omnipotent entities, or they were dirty little morality plays, or just plain silly.

    Plots involving the Klingons, or the Romulans, always ended with Captain Jerk and Mr. Spook bringing off Woodrow Wilson’s Peace Without Victory disgrace. There was never an all-out war with a winner and a loser that I am aware of. Such episodes were loaded with numerous references to the all-supreme United Federation of Planets. Clearly, a clever way of planting the United Nations’ political agenda in the minds of impressionable youngsters. Hell, the fictional Federation even had a flag that looked like the U.N. flag.


    It was no secret that the Star Trek flag was based on the U.N. flag.





    p.s. I wonder how many then-young Trekkies —— now well into their middle-age —— realize how shamelessly they were brainwashed?
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    The removal should be immediately followed by the Army Corps of Engineers dynamiting that eyesore out of existence before the bums have it designated a historical site.
    Just an obvious point: the UN building is on extraterritorial land, like any embassy. Even if the USA removes itself from the UN, it would take some time to negotiate a purchase and transfer of the UN building and the land under it. Blowing the building up would be dangerous to NYC, and would be an act of war on the world. Even if the rest of the world did not go to war, there would be extreme sanctions that would destroy our economy (and the world's economy). It would be a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Just an obvious point: the UN building is on extraterritorial land, like any embassy.

    To Walt:
    The U.N. is an organization not a government.

    In any event pass H.R. 204 and the problem is solved:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...-bill/204/text


    Sec 6

    (b) Diplomatic immunity.—No officer or employee of the United Nations (including any organ, specialized agency, commission or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations) or any representative, officer, or employee of any mission to the United Nations of any foreign government shall be entitled to enjoy the privileges and immunities of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of April 18, 1961, nor may any such privileges and immunities be extended to any such individual. The privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided for in the International Organizations Immunities Act of December 29, 1945 (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288 et seq.), or in any agreement or treaty to which the United States is a party, including the agreement entitled “Agreement Between the United Nations and the United States of America Regarding the Headquarters of the United Nations”, signed June 26, 1947 (22 U.S.C. 287 note), and the Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations, entered into force with respect to the United States on April 29, 1970 (21 UST 1418; TIAS 6900; UNTS 16), shall not apply to the United Nations or to any organ, specialized agency, commission or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations, to the officers and employees of the United Nations, or of any organ, specialized agency, commission or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations, or to the families, suites, or servants of such officers or employees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Even if the USA removes itself from the UN, it would take some time to negotiate a purchase and transfer of the UN building and the land under it.
    To Walt:

    Sec 4

    No funds are authorized to be appropriated or otherwise made available for assessed or voluntary contributions of the United States to the United Nations or to any organ, specialized agency, commission or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations, except that funds may be appropriated to facilitate termination of United States membership and withdrawal of United States personnel and equipment, in accordance with sections 2 and 3, respectively. Upon termination of United States membership, no payments shall be made to the United Nations or to any organ, specialized agency, commission or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations, out of any funds appropriated prior to such termination or out of any other funds available for such purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Blowing the building up would be dangerous to NYC,
    To Walt: NYC is far more dangerous to this country with or without the United Nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    and would be an act of war on the world.
    To Walt: Do you really believe that 185 or so countries would go to war to save worldwide Communism? Most of those countries have no militaries worth mentioning.

    Communist countries would not go to war against the rest of the world to save their United Nations. Even if they did go to war in a last ditch attempt to salvage the U.N. it would be the best thing that could happen to the U.S. and its allies whose combined military strength would make short work of China, North Korea, and Vietnam. Hell, today’s Russia might even side with the U.S. rather than face devastation for the benefit of Chinese Communists.

    NOTE:
    The United Nations has been after control of the U.S. military since 1945. Even if the global government crowd setup shop somewhere else, passing H.R. 204 this year would effectively put an end to 75 years of their scheming, planning and betrayals. Lets see them fight their wars without the U.S. military.


    Sec 5

    (a) Termination.—No funds are authorized to be appropriated or otherwise made available for any United States contribution to any United Nations military or peacekeeping operation or force.

    (b) Terminations of United States participation in United Nations peacekeeping operations.—No funds may be obligated or expended to support the participation of any member of the Armed Forces of the United States as part of any United Nations military or peacekeeping operation or force. No member of the Armed Forces of the United States may serve under the command of the United Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Even if the rest of the world did not go to war, there would be extreme sanctions that would destroy our economy (and the world's economy).

    To Walt:
    Get real. This country wins a trade war hands down. In case you missed it China’s economy is in the toilet, while the U.S. economy is booming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It would be a disaster.
    To Walt: You got one right. It would be a global disaster for U.N. parasites.
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    So basically put, Flanders wants to declare war on the UN, and all the members of the UN, and hope that the world will be OK with that. Oh and he wants to also blow up things in NYC, because (he says) NYC is a dangerous to this country.

    Clearly Flanders is very upset with how his life turned out, but lashing out will not fix things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    Way back when in 1993 when the Maastricht Treaty legitimated the European Union I was convinced the EU would implode in 10 years. I missed the mark by 16 years. Happily, the end is near.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...93#post3220093





    Britain’s iconic Union Flag was ceremoniously lowered, folded, and taken away in the European Council building in Brussels ahead of Brexit at 11 p.m. on January 31st.

    WATCH: Moment British Flag Comes Down in Brussels – BREXIT DONE
    by Jack Montgomery
    31 Jan 2020

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...s-brexit-done/

    Removing the Stars & Stripes from U.N. Headquarters is next:



    The removal should be immediately followed by the Army Corps of Engineers dynamiting that eyesore out of existence before the bums have it designated a historical site.


    Finally, did you know that Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were Socialists? Think about it. They spent most of their time plugging the United Nations! Many Star Trek episodes dealt with omnipotent entities, or they were dirty little morality plays, or just plain silly.

    Plots involving the Klingons, or the Romulans, always ended with Captain Jerk and Mr. Spook bringing off Woodrow Wilson’s Peace Without Victory disgrace. There was never an all-out war with a winner and a loser that I am aware of. Such episodes were loaded with numerous references to the all-supreme United Federation of Planets. Clearly, a clever way of planting the United Nations’ political agenda in the minds of impressionable youngsters. Hell, the fictional Federation even had a flag that looked like the U.N. flag.


    It was no secret that the Star Trek flag was based on the U.N. flag.





    p.s. I wonder how many then-young Trekkies —— now well into their middle-age —— realize how shamelessly they were brainwashed?
    Actually, plots involving the Klingons often involved Kirk punching someone's lights out. Only the Organians stopped the war between the Federation and the Klingons.

    The typical plot involved Spock saying he has never encountered anything like that before, McCoy becoming an emotional basketcase, Scotty trying to keep the ship in one piece despite the captain's abuse of it, and Kirk punching someone's lights out.
    We had occasional interludes of Sulu showing he could thread a needle with the ship, and Chekov attempting mutiny or getting into trouble because he didn't follow orders, Uhuru singing (she could actually sing quite well!). or the computer going nutz because Spock couldn't fix it.

    The Federation had no flag until the movies and later series, when Roddenberry's influence was removed.

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    I just saw this:




    US Space Force logo on left and the Star Trek emblem on right
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/772/cp...-132423423.jpg


    The newly unveiled logo for US Space Force appears to have boldly gone where Star Trek went before.

    US Space Force logo looks like one from Star Trek - BBC News
    24 January 2020

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51245262

    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    Finally, did you know that Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were Socialists? Think about it. They spent most of their time plugging the United Nations!
    Trump should have known better:

    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    I just saw this:




    US Space Force logo on left and the Star Trek emblem on right
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/772/cp...-132423423.jpg


    The newly unveiled logo for US Space Force appears to have boldly gone where Star Trek went before.

    US Space Force logo looks like one from Star Trek - BBC News
    24 January 2020

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51245262



    Trump should have known better:


    Why does every new flag have to look like a goddamned United Nations flag?


    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    So basically put, Flanders wants to declare war on the UN, and all the members of the UN, and hope that the world will be OK with that. Oh and he wants to also blow up things in NYC, because (he says) NYC is a dangerous to this country.

    Clearly Flanders is very upset with how his life turned out, but lashing out will not fix things.
    No it's just time for someone to tell the UN, pack your shit and get the fuck out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    No it's just time for someone to tell the UN, pack your shit and get the fuck out
    Having the UN in NYC helps our economy, and world standing, a bit. It does no harm. So why do you want to kick it out?

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