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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    If the President is acquitted in a trial where witnesses were banned then Autocracy has begun.
    There will be no going back.
    Is that really what you fools want?
    To win a battle but lose everything?
    This is the mental gymnastics and pretzel logic Republicans have to attempt to justify their lack of integrity here

    "Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

    "... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

    - Senator Marco Rubio, R-Florida
    Noteworthy here is that tacit admission that Trump went way over the line - that it was not a perfect phone call. And that means Republicans are leaving the door open to punish future Democratic presidents who try to do what Trump did.

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    The swing voters in the Senate have already said that since the Articles do not rise to the level of impeachment, witnesses or documents are not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It was never supposed to be a political process. But if it is a political process, then trump can be removed for any political reason they want.
    What a good point.

    How can they have one without the other?

    They can't say they are going to be completely political about the defense and then complain that the impeachment was politically motivated.

    Essentially, what they are saying is: "You side was bad for doing that, but since you did it, then we can do the same thing and it's now magically no longer wrong."
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    Vote Red or you are brain dead.

    A perfect call resulted in acquittal pens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I was only commenting on Frank’s absurd Hitler analogy lol.
    In my defense, I have acknowledged that Trump is not like Hitler in many respects. Trump is not nearly as intelligent as Hitler was; Trump was not willing to fight for his country as Hitler was; and Hitler was a dynamic speaker, while Trump has the speaking style of a not especially bright grammar school kid.

    The only real similarities are that both are evil, crude, boorish, vindictive, totalitarian...and those kinds of things.
    ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!

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    Sticks and stones...lol

    Trump has an Ivy League degree, is an author, a multibillionaire and the president of the greatest nation on earth and just cleaned the Democrats’ collective clocks...again.

    Anyone want to compare resumes?

    He has a beautiful, intelligent wife who speaks multiple languages and loving children.

    What is there not to like?
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    And if you think Pelosi and the democrats abused the impeachment process for political gain, vote republican lol?
    That's as good a reason to try to justify it as any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    IRRELEVANT. THE HOUSE COULD HAVE CALLED HIM BUT DIDN'T .

    STOP THE LYING ABOUT "NO WITNESSES"....
    Liar liar pants on fire.

    "The House did ask Bolton to testify


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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    What’s the saying lol?

    If you go after the King make sure you kill him? Democrats didn’t even draw blood with this. Yes, Trump is impeached but Democrats now own the weakest and most partisan impeachment in history. An impeachment that fails to remove a president is a House censure vote—with lipstick on it.

    It amounts to a vote of no confidence by the House. Who cares. It’s not like House *democrats* needed to formalize their ‘no confidence’ in Trump—everyone knew that already.
    Those grapes of not being impeached are probably sour anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    If the President is acquitted in a trial where witnesses were banned then Autocracy has begun.
    There will be no going back.
    Is that really what you fools want?
    To win a battle but lose everything?
    god what an idiot..
    witnesses were called (although the IC IG transcript from Schiff's bunker are still MIA) by the House.

    The Senate chose not to hear any further testimony; but did hear the House's case

    And this is "Unconstititional? what a moron

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Liar liar pants on fire.

    "The House did ask Bolton to testify
    Why didn’t they subpoena him, they had that authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It never was a trial, everyone know this, Pelosi's jury was never the Senate, rather the American public, and after Mitch denied witnesses and evidence, it only furthered her case
    correct. it was nothing more then a political farce

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    Hello Phantasmal,

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    "Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office."
    That's an interesting discussion. If Trump was to be removed, with the country so bitterly divided, it would be like throwing gasoline on a fire. Democrats didn't ask to be put into this situation, didn't ask for the timing. The President brought it on with his own abuse of power. Republicans like to boast about how orderly their gatherings are. If Trump were removed from office it would be hard to imagine Trump fans peacefully protesting that. Some of those people are downright deplorable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    god what an idiot..
    witnesses were called (although the IC IG transcript from Schiff's bunker are still MIA) by the House.

    The Senate chose not to hear any further testimony; but did hear the House's case

    And this is "Unconstititional? what a moron
    The impeachment was not the trial you staggeringly stupid shitstain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    To be specific the ‘losers’ are the House. Myself and others warned them about rushing the vote to impeach and sending an incomplete record and crime-less articles to the Senate. One didn’t need to be a prophet to predict the outcome. Pelosi by-passed ‘the bird in the hand’ censure vote and went for the impeachment bird in the bush. All to appease her radical flank. It was a historic miscalculation on her part and will probably cost her seat as Speaker or minority leader.

    You won’t like this part lol. The winner is the country. After this, future presidents [including those of your own party] should be safe from party-line impeachment votes. Had Democrats succeeded with this, the next impeachment wouldn’t take 25 years to get here. It would be more like 2-3 before the end of the decade. Abuse of power is too broad and ambiguous—and too easy for hyper-partisan House members to use to *contrive* articles of impeachment with.
    correct. this was an affront to the Constitution.
    a partisan impeachment by nature is nothing more then a political ploy of the worse kind

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