So What If Hunter Biden Got Burisma Job Because Of His Name? Is That A Crime?

[ThatOwlWoman]

Republicans look pretty silly talking about nepotism.

It is a subject they would be better off avoiding like the coronavirus.

[anatta]

Ukrainian who meddled against Trump in 2016 is now under Russia-corruption cloud
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...w-under-russia

A Ukrainian court last December ruled that Leshchenko and the head of the country’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) — an investigative agency modeled on America’s FBI — both illegally meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election by leaking financial documents that smeared then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.

According to information published in the mass media, a member of the parliament systematically received millions in bribes from an entrepreneur to lobby for the latter’s business interests, specifically to influence officials of government agencies and law enforcement agencies and create the necessary public opinion in the media space,” the special anti-corruption prosecutor’s office led by Kholodnytskyy declared.

Ukrainian officials told me Thursday that the U.S. embassy during Barack Obama’s presidency applied pressure in recent years to steer investigations away from Leshchenko. A source with direct knowledge said Leshchenko was one of the people the U.S. ambassador in Kiev asked Ukrainian prosecutors not to pursue in 2016.

Everything in Ukraine should be taken with a grain of salt, given Ukraine’s history of corruption and weaponizing of law enforcement against political rivals.

And one of the ironies of Thursday’s announcement is that Leshchenko’s case now will be investigated by detectives from the same agency — NABU — that a court found in December had collaborated with him to influence the U.S. election improperly.

[Walt]

Hunter was there to protect Burisma from western scruinity. he was a figurehead -he didn't "do" anything.

Just the opposite. Burisma needed to be in the western banking system. They were being cut off from the Russian banking system. Western banks would not do business with them until they had been scrutinized. Without the cash transfers, and lines of credit, Burisma and much of the Ukraine's economy would collapse. This was a life and death emergency not just for Burisma, but for the Ukraine.

A lot is made by Republicans that supposedly everyone is innocent until proven guilty. In some situations that is true(sort of, it is actually "presumed innocent"), but not in due diligence. In due diligence, everyone is guilty until being proven innocent. Burisma needed to prove themselves innocent enough to do business with.

[anatta]

Just the opposite. Burisma needed to be in the western banking system. They were being cut off from the Russian banking system. Western banks would not do business with them until they had been scrutinized. Without the cash transfers, and lines of credit, Burisma and much of the Ukraine's economy would collapse. This was a life and death emergency not just for Burisma, but for the Ukraine.

A lot is made by Republicans that supposedly everyone is innocent until proven guilty. In some situations that is true(sort of, it is actually "presumed innocent"), but not in due diligence. In due diligence, everyone is guilty until being proven innocent. Burisma needed to prove themselves innocent enough to do business with.

he didn't do anything. He was hired for "legal issues" and corporate finannce -nothing he knew anything about.

Even his interview claims no skills -just Biden's name

[anatta]

the caveat to all this is Ukraine is hopelessly corrupt. One of the reasons for the Euromaidan was because Yanukovych was considered corrupt..
but then Poroshenko came in and was corrupt ( why Zelensky won).

Stay the hell out of Ukraine -there is nothing but corruption and duplicity

Leshenko claimed Shokin was corrupt, Shokin claims the opposite, but now Leshenko is under investigation

[Walt]

he didn't do anything. He was hired for "legal issues" and corporate finannce -nothing he knew anything about.

Biden is a lawyer who specializes in due diligence and compliance. So not only does he know something about it, he specializes in it. He has worked all his professional life in that field.

[PoliTalker]

Hello anatta,

Brits were investigating Burisma as well. That's the story, but in fact it's given by Leshenko ( who suceeded Shokin) and Leshenko -not Shokin -is corrupt

Can't find that story.

And just because one Russia corruption holdover Ukrianian is corrupt does not clear another.

[PoliTalker]

Hello anatta,

Ukrainian who meddled against Trump in 2016 is now under Russia-corruption cloud
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...w-under-russia

A Ukrainian court last December ruled that Leshchenko and the head of the country’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) — an investigative agency modeled on America’s FBI — both illegally meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election by leaking financial documents that smeared then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.

According to information published in the mass media, a member of the parliament systematically received millions in bribes from an entrepreneur to lobby for the latter’s business interests, specifically to influence officials of government agencies and law enforcement agencies and create the necessary public opinion in the media space,” the special anti-corruption prosecutor’s office led by Kholodnytskyy declared.

Ukrainian officials told me Thursday that the U.S. embassy during Barack Obama’s presidency applied pressure in recent years to steer investigations away from Leshchenko. A source with direct knowledge said Leshchenko was one of the people the U.S. ambassador in Kiev asked Ukrainian prosecutors not to pursue in 2016.

Everything in Ukraine should be taken with a grain of salt, given Ukraine’s history of corruption and weaponizing of law enforcement against political rivals.

And one of the ironies of Thursday’s announcement is that Leshchenko’s case now will be investigated by detectives from the same agency — NABU — that a court found in December had collaborated with him to influence the U.S. election improperly.

Now - as of May last year...

[Earl]

It appears that the left has surrendered on impeachment conviction.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Walt,

Just the opposite. Burisma needed to be in the western banking system. They were being cut off from the Russian banking system. Western banks would not do business with them until they had been scrutinized. Without the cash transfers, and lines of credit, Burisma and much of the Ukraine's economy would collapse. This was a life and death emergency not just for Burisma, but for the Ukraine.

A lot is made by Republicans that supposedly everyone is innocent until proven guilty. In some situations that is true(sort of, it is actually "presumed innocent"), but not in due diligence. In due diligence, everyone is guilty until being proven innocent. Burisma needed to prove themselves innocent enough to do business with.

You have to understand the way of thinking on the right.

Republicans are innocent until proven guilty.

Democrats are guilty until proven innocent.

[Earl]

Hello Walt,



You have to understand the way of thinking on the right.

Republicans are innocent until proven guilty.

Democrats are guilty until proven innocent.

Half right.

Every American is “presumed innocent.”

[ThatOwlWoman]

Biden is a lawyer who specializes in due diligence and compliance. So not only does he know something about it, he specializes in it. He has worked all his professional life in that field.

Anatta and the rest of the Reichwingers don't care about CVs, facts, and truth, Walt. They just care that they have some talking points to use to bash the reputation of someone not even slightly involved in the abuse of power, obstruction, bribery, extortion, and other crimes of their Glorious Mango Messiah.

I hope that they vote to call witnesses, and that Hunter Biden is one of them. The (R)s already look like fools; his testimony would put the icing on the Aiding and Abetting Cake they're cooking up.

[Walt]

Half right.

Every American is “presumed innocent.”

Americans going through due diligence are not presumed innocent. Americans going through asset forfeiture are not presumed innocent. Americans entering the USA are not presumed innocent. Americans accused of not being Americans in immigration court are not presumed innocent.

There are many situations where Americans are not presumed innocent.

But back to the impeachment. Can you tell us a specific impeachment that has ever been overturned by the Supreme Court? That is the only way they would decide that the process is wrong.

[PoliTalker]

I say take out Biden, take out Trump from the mix.

Let's choose our next President from the remaining candidates.

I am liking Yang and Bloomberg more and more.

But then I don't know that much about them.

[evince]

Anatta and the rest of the Reichwingers don't care about CVs, facts, and truth, Walt. They just care that they have some talking points to use to bash the reputation of someone not even slightly involved in the abuse of power, obstruction, bribery, extortion, and other crimes of their Glorious Mango Messiah.

I hope that they vote to call witnesses, and that Hunter Biden is one of them. The (R)s already look like fools; his testimony would put the icing on the Aiding and Abetting Cake they're cooking up.

the FACTS would come out and the Russian lies and half truths about the Bidens would make total assholes out of them


they wont call witnesses


trump and Putin wont let them


they are slaves and have no will of their own anymore


they are bought and sold

and are going to allow this Russian plant in our government to totally destroy this nation


then they will all be too old and die


Then we will rebuild the nation so that no other sociopathic pack of bought out assholes will ever be able to do this to our nation again.


the republican party will go down in history as the traitors party


so all these assholes are accomplishing is to cause this nation and its people PAIN and SUFFERING for a few years while they spend their last years FEARING PUTIN and an ugly orange Viagra and fat addict until he drops dead from a bad heart

King for a few days

that is trump reward

and then his entire family will be among the MOST HATED people on the planet


Forcing them to YET AGAIN change the family name to avoid scorn


this is going to be painful folks


but it wont last