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    Default No danger - JAVELIN missiles were NOT even part of the Ukraine Aid package

    Left's narrative that Trump postponed javelin sales to facilitate Russian invasion and occupation of Ukraine, totally destroyed.

    "The rough transcript shows that while Zelensky did not bring up the security assistance funds in particular, he did raise Ukraine's desire to buy more Javelin anti-tank missiles -- which were not part of the delayed security assistance package on which the impeachment proceedings have been centered, but were clearly important to Ukraine."

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    Liberals are in panic mode.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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    screw arming Ukraine..not our war. Let Russia and Ukraine work it out..not our borders

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    screw arming Ukraine..not our war. Let Russia and Ukraine work it out..not our borders
    Well at least you are open about not caring if Russia invades everyone else.

    The question becomes that when the Chinese and the Russians invade all our former allies, and are on our border, who will help us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Well at least you are open about not caring if Russia invades everyone else.
    Russia annexed Crimea.
    The Ukraine nationals ( Separatists) started the war due to lack of representation in the Kyiv government.
    IT"S A CIVIL WAR -STAY OUT OF FOREIGN CIVIL WARS

    The question becomes that when the Chinese and the Russians invade all our former allies, and are on our border, who will help us?
    silliness. Russia cant invade anywhere - not even Georgia again.
    Take that neoconservative nonsense elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Russia annexed Crimea...silliness. Russia cant invade anywhere - not even Georgia again.
    They certainly were able to invade the Crimean.

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    The Ukraine nationals ( Separatists) started the war due to lack of representation in the Kyiv government.
    Isn't it amazing how many different separatists Russia supports around the world. They support separatists until they take over. Can we really call them "separatists" when they are used by Putin to join these territories to Russia.

    And now we see Putin supporting the NRA, and their particular brand of separatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    They certainly were able to invade the Crimean.
    get back to me when you understand the Euromaidan and US meddling by John McCain and State dept's
    Vicky Nuland were on the ground fomenting the crowd.

    That was part of the reasons for the police riot. that became a revolution. that Poroshenko used as a threat against Putin for access to Sevastopol (lease).

    When you get this -Putin had no choice but to protect his naval base (annexation),
    then we'll talk about Crimea/Ukraine/NATO in the Black Sea

    Isn't it amazing how many different separatists Russia supports around the world. They support separatists until they take over. Can we really call them "separatists" when they are used by Putin to join these territories to Russia.
    what do you mean? Syria? there are no separatists in Syria -
    there is only a civil war , and the Russian/Assad alliance, with Iran as a convenient partner

    nd now we see Putin supporting the NRA, and their particular brand of separatism.
    false terminology conflation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    They certainly were able to invade the Crimean.



    Isn't it amazing how many different separatists Russia supports around the world. They support separatists until they take over. Can we really call them "separatists" when they are used by Putin to join these territories to Russia.

    And now we see Putin supporting the NRA, and their particular brand of separatism.
    The NRA is as American as apple pie.


    They have been defending the Second Amendment for decades against the daily...hourly assault from the Democrat left.

    The ultimate goal is to confiscate every firearm in America. They are using incrementalism, as they always do.

    If you don’t care to defend yourself and your family...fine. But you are not going to stop law-abiding gun owners who never use them to commit

    a crime.

    Not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    When you get this -Putin had no choice but to protect his naval base (annexation), then we'll talk about Crimea/Ukraine/NATO in the Black Sea
    Putin is a master of putting himself in the situation where he has "no choice" and has to take over a territory. Hopefully he will never be able to seize parts of the USA, because he has "no choice", but that is his dream.

    As for NATO in the Black Sea, NATO has always been in the Black Sea. The only way to get into the Black Sea from other waters is through two NATO countries.

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    there are no separatists in Syria
    The Kurds would quite definitely be separatists in Syria. But Putin in this particular case has taken the side of the anti-separatists.

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    the Russian/Assad alliance, with Iran as a convenient partner
    Assad shares a religion with Iran, so maybe it is Putin who is a partner of convenience. I think Putin is happy with anything that keeps him in the game. We see the same thing in Libya where Russian speaking Little Green Men are appearing more and more on the front lines.

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    false terminology conflation
    Why do you think Putin is putting so much money into the NRA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    The NRA is as American as apple pie.
    I doubt Putin cares about apple pie, or Nugent raping children. The reason Putin supports the NRA with so much money is because they destabilize America.

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    But you are not going to stop law-abiding gun owners who never use them to commit a crime. Not going to happen.
    We cannot stop "law abiding" gun owners with laws, because they will never obey the law, and somehow never commit crimes?

    If someone has a criminal record, buys an illegal gun, modifies it to be even more illegal, and then illegally murders someone... Are they still law abiding? And no, I am not going to tell you what their skin color is, because that should make no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I doubt Putin cares about apple pie, or Nugent raping children. The reason Putin supports the NRA with so much money is because they destabilize America.



    We cannot stop "law abiding" gun owners with laws, because they will never obey the law, and somehow never commit crimes?

    If someone has a criminal record, buys an illegal gun, modifies it to be even more illegal, and then illegally murders someone... Are they still law abiding? And no, I am not going to tell you what their skin color is, because that should make no difference.
    What are you going to do Walter, when a crazed killer starts cutting or shooting a family member?

    Call Putin.

    If you are a law-abiding gun owner, as millions of Americans are, you are not the problem.

    Sport hunting and target practice have been extant for hundreds of years.

    Defense of your home will not be stopped by a bunch of loser Democrats who would watch their family slaughtered rather than use a legal firearm.

    Don’t own a gun, Walter. Call the police who will arrive 30 minutes after you are dead.

    You need help and guidance, Walter and you are not going to take our guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    What are you going to do Walter, when...
    You would think the USA has to have the lowest murder rate in the world, after all we have the most guns. Instead, we have the highest murder rate in the first world. There are very poor countries that are worse than the USA, but the USA has a major problem. I can't help but think that problem has something to do with effectively unrestricted gun ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Putin is a master of putting himself in the situation where he has "no choice" and has to take over a territory. Hopefully he will never be able to seize parts of the USA, because he has "no choice", but that is his dream.
    propaganda. Putin wants to improve his economy -not territorial gains ( except Arctic claims for resourses)

    As for NATO in the Black Sea, NATO has always been in the Black Sea. The only way to get into the Black Sea from other waters is through two NATO countries.
    not on this operational level.
    Suppose we get drawn into a war between them over
    the Kerch Strait or Sea of Azov? they've already had confrontations -it's not our war

    The Kurds would quite definitely be separatists in Syria. But Putin in this particular case has taken the side of the anti-separatists.
    ..could be..although the Kurds aren't separating from anything they are part of -but OK

    Assad shares a religion with Iran, so maybe it is Putin who is a partner of convenience. I think Putin is happy with anything that keeps him in the game. We see the same thing in Libya where Russian speaking Little Green Men are appearing more and more on the front lines.
    Assad is Alawite, most Shi'a consider that a heretic religion.
    The convenience is Russia and Iran. Russia does not want Muslim terrorism, but accepts it in the ME for power

    Cite the Little Green Men - I don't think Russian are there at all, but I could have missed it with the Turkish forces now threating to come in

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    screw arming Ukraine..not our war. Let Russia and Ukraine work it out..not our borders
    I thought McCain and the Obama admin fomented that civil war; ... making us culpable.

    Putin will "work it out" by simply taking the rest of Ukraine. Which would feed fuel to the left's "Donald Trump is a Russian spy" narrative.

    In a few more years, Ukraine may be stable enough for us to end all aid, and dump the problem in Europe's lap. Let's give Zelensky a chance for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    You would think the USA has to have the lowest murder rate in the world, after all we have the most guns. Instead, we have the highest murder rate in the first world. There are very poor countries that are worse than the USA, but the USA has a major problem. I can't help but think that problem has something to do with effectively unrestricted gun ownership.
    Another democrat White Lib spewing unfounded twitter memes against the NRA in order to ban Black Americans from owning guns.

    Not every American can afford to hire their own private security force like rich White Libs do.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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