cancel2 2022 (01-24-2020), Earl (01-25-2020), Irish (01-25-2020)
-Even for someone as audacious as Trump. They would not do it as a party without good reason.
-If you think they have, then you have lost touch with reality.
-Some would. Yes. I'll grant you that. But not as a party. The party would not do it until there was a valid and justifiable reason.
-The Democratic Party as a whole would not engage in a frivolous impeachment as a political stunt. They just would not go that far. They have scruples. They believe in the system, trust the system. They follow the Constitution. They do not wish to weaken the Constitution. They take this very seriously.
-If you look at some of them, and say they have been trying to do this since Trump was elected, you are correct. But it is a mistake to extrapolate that small subset into the whole party. Big mistake. Making that mistake is the precise point at which you left reality behind, if that's what you think is happening.
-Don't mind me. I am an independent voice. And I am right.
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Frank Apisa (01-24-2020), Phantasmal (01-24-2020)
Being mad because you got your ass kicked 3 years ago and you know you will get it kicked again in 2020 is not a good reason.
Trump fans who think Democrats are 'out to get him' and would stoop to an unwarranted impeachment have lost it.
-No longer in touch with reality!
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Phantasmal (01-24-2020)
ROFLMAO
Irish (01-25-2020)
Democratic party leadership resisted calls for impeachment as long as they could.
But they would be shirking their duty to the Constitution to allow a politician to seek foreign intervention into an American election. That is going too far.
And this was probably inevitable. At first, Trump still had many Republican party regulars in the ranks, and in his administration. Over time, he ran off all the moderates, leaving him with only the yes men who would do anything he says, people who were loyal to him over the country.
And that is when their priorities shifted.
That was when the guard rails constraining Trump were removed.
He had nobody to tell him he should not do this. (or at least anyone with enough power to make him listen)
Basically, his head got too big and he either ran off or quit listening to anybody with a reasoned mind.
And that's how he got himself into this predicament.
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Phantasmal (01-24-2020)
Trump's ego forced Democrats' hand.
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Phantasmal (01-24-2020)
Earl (01-24-2020)
He could have supplied witnesses and documents that prove him innocent, but he didn’t because no such things exit. We have so many videos of Trump admitted his guilt, witnesses testimonies and other facts. Their defense will be interesting. They will only have procedural complaints.
Earl (01-24-2020)
PoliTalker (01-24-2020)
Executive Privilege, especially concerning national security, must be preserved.
Here’s some advice, win an election, then you won’t have to use impeachment to try to win the next election,
Irish (01-25-2020)
Hello Phantasmal,
Oh no, I disagree with that. They will mix arguing the merit of their case with attacks on Democrats. I have heard that they have been taking notes on the number of times Democrats said something. As if repetition is any fault. Democrats know that nobody is able to watch all of the trial. People tune in and out according to their schedules. Democrats know that the Senate is unlikely to convict, so they are making sure they get their message out to the general public, so that the actual conviction comes on November 3rd. (if not before, in another impeachment on fraud and taxes.) (Or a reimpeachment on this crime, once more evidence comes out, and you know it will.)
As they pretend to argue merit, they will cherry-pick information to create the narrative they want to present.
For instance, I would expect them to argue that Zelensky got his meeting with Trump, but they will conveniently omit that he never got the coveted WHITE HOUSE MEETING.
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PoliTalker (01-24-2020)
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