Is Trump Guilty Or Not?

[Mason Michaels]

This is the most stupid post in this thread.
The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior without explicit consent of the victim.

That's exactly what grabbing a woman's pussy is!
Being "a star",doesn't make it any less of a sexual assault.

[Frank Apisa]

Was it a matter of opinion whether Clinton lied under oath?

Not at all. He lied...flat out.

The question was: Is lying about a blow job worth throwing a president out of office?

Right now the question is not whether Trump attempted to shake down Zelensky in order to improve his re-election chances...but whether doing that essentially hurt US interests.

Doesn't really matter, because the Senate will never convict him, no matter what.

[Phantasmal]

Well, no new witnesses are needed.

Let the defense answer and hold the vote. This should be over by this time next week and congress can get back to actual business.

Yes, I’d like to hear Bolton, Mulvaney and Rudy. They all played roles and have damning information.

[Frank Apisa]

The Democratic Party is not saying what you claim. Try to get your facts straight.

Correct.

[tsuke]

There are 2 articles. I think if you squint hard enough you can argue about #1 but #2 is utter bullshit and is dangerous enough to weaken all Presidents moving forward.

[Phantasmal]

Not at all. He lied...flat out.

The question was: Is lying about a blow job worth throwing a president out of office?

Right now the question is not whether Trump attempted to shake down Zelensky in order to improve his re-election chances...but whether doing that essentially hurt US interests.

Doesn't really matter, because the Senate will never convict him, no matter what.

Clinton did lie. That was never contested, but the act he lied about was a sexual act which did not hold up legal military aid in exchange for a personal favor. You are correct.

[evince]

There are 2 articles. I think if you squint hard enough you can argue about #1 but #2 is utter bullshit and is dangerous enough to weaken all Presidents moving forward.

only the ones who want to do illegal shit

[Frank Apisa]

There are 2 articles. I think if you squint hard enough you can argue about #1 but #2 is utter bullshit and is dangerous enough to weaken all Presidents moving forward.

The Trump administration...and the reaction of congress to his shenanigans...ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE WEAKENED THE PRESIDENCY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

You should be able to see that.

[Darth Omar]

Not at all. He lied...flat out.

The question was: Is lying about a blow job worth throwing a president out of office?

Right now the question is not whether Trump attempted to shake down Zelensky in order to improve his re-election chances...but whether doing that essentially hurt US interests.

Doesn't really matter, because the Senate will never convict him, no matter what.

You inadvertently conceded the point lol.

It’s *a question* of whether Trump did what he is *alleged* to have done.

When Republicans get their turn to send an incomplete investigation, disguised as articles of impeachment, to the Senate—you can spare the outrage, Frank.

[Darth Omar]

There are 2 articles. I think if you squint hard enough you can argue about #1 but #2 is utter bullshit and is dangerous enough to weaken all Presidents moving forward.

They are both weak and dangerous.

Abuse of power can be any number of things. In fact, it will be whatever future Houses say it is. Democrats succeeded in trivializing impeachment and weakening the presidency all in one fell swoop.

All because they despise Donald Trump.

[Earl]

I'll keep my head...and keep it steady on my shots. Sorry to hear the rain is keeping you off the course.

There was a day when I would golf on cold days like this in NJ, but age has slowed me down in that respect. I can tell I'm getting testy. Should warm up soon...and then I become an angel.

It's near 60 degrees here but it's been raining for 40 years. Lol

I can see water on the fairway and sixth hole from my deck. Maybe by Monday it will dry out...unless it rains more.

Spring training starts in about three weeks.Baseball makes the world right.

"The men in the stands grow old but the men on the field are forever young." Bart Giamatti.

A grain of salt goes well with this forum. It's all small stuff, Frank, even politics. Family is what counts.

[Southern Chicken]

The GAO said he broke the law by withholding the Ukraine aid.

He was on television at Davos three days ago bragging that he has all the evidence.

Yes, he's guilty as fuck.

GAO is a part of the legislative branch not the judicial branch of government. They dont have power to render verdicts.

[Southern Chicken]

That's exactly what grabbing a woman's pussy is!
Being "a star",doesn't make it any less of a sexual assault.

No it isn't idiot... several husbands WITH consent of their spouses would be arrested if that was the case.

[Nordberg]

They are both weak and dangerous.

Abuse of power can be any number of things. In fact, it will be whatever future Houses say it is. Democrats succeeded in trivializing impeachment and weakening the presidency all in one fell swoop.

All because they despise Donald Trump.

Trump is an asshole but we would have ridden out the 4 years in he was not flagrantly breaking rules. He does what he wants and defies you to do anything about it. Trump's definition of privilege is incredible. If he really thinks it applies, then he should actually do it. If he used privilege, he would have to provide documentation and specifically and carefully designate what he wants blacked out and why. Instead, he waves his scepter and declares everything he does as beyond the reach of the branches that used to be equal branches.
Trump's concept of the presidency needs weakening. He has declared himself above the law and beyond the reach of the legislative and judicial branches.
Trump welcomed Rusian interference in 2016 and he seeks more foreign interference in this one. That cannot be allowed.

[LV426]

GAO is a part of the legislative branch not the judicial branch of government. They dont have power to render verdicts.

GAO is non-partisan, and if you're going to attack all the institutions whose job it is to provide accountability, you're participating in the corruption directly.