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    The Canucks have wised up to the EU, Brussels is bricking it!

    Could Canada rip up EU trade deal? Brussels stunned after Canadians savage EU demands

    CANADIAN industries have threatened to take action against the European Union, after Brussels was accused of "not respecting" the terms laid out in the £50billion trade deal.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...it-latest-news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    The Canucks have wised up to the EU, Brussels is bricking it!
    There is an amazing amount of wishful thinking coming from you. It is sort of like the person going through bankruptcy wishing he will win the lottery.

    Well, good luck. I hope you get your wish, but I do have to warn you that well thought out hard work tends to work better than lottery tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    What "offer" are you referring to?

    Britain will leave the EU by agreement on January 31. Negotiations on a trade deal will not start until at least a month after that.

    The prime minister has insisted the UK was ready to start negotiating on February 1. But the European Commission said today it would "take some time" for the bloc to agree its position.
    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...sels-1-6474191
    The man's an idiot, they haven't even started the trade negotiations but he's obviously completely unaware of that fact. Why are so many Septics totally ignorant regarding Brexit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There is an amazing amount of wishful thinking coming from you. It is sort of like the person going through bankruptcy wishing he will win the lottery.

    Well, good luck. I hope you get your wish, but I do have to warn you that well thought out hard work tends to work better than lottery tickets.
    You're talking out of your arse, stop embarrassing yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Why are so many Septics totally ignorant regarding Brexit?
    Most of them have a firm position on it, though.

    They've been told it's a straight case of nationalism versus globalism. So Trumpsters support it and liberals oppose it. Some even think Britain has been taken over by fascists.

    You've got to laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Most of them have a firm position on it, though.

    They've been told it's a straight case of nationalism versus globalism. So Trumpsters support it and liberals oppose it. Some even think Britain has been taken over by fascists.

    You've got to laugh.
    They are subject to groupthink, they've been taken over by aliens, like latter day Midwich Cuckoos.

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    Brexit LIVE: Are you watching, Brussels? UK and Japan unite for deal FAR BIGGER than EU’s

    BORIS JOHNSON wants Japan to be the first country to sign a "trailblazer" trade deal with the UK to show the EU and the United States how quickly Britain can power forward after Brexit.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...european-union

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    .BORIS JOHNSON wants Japan to be the first country to sign a "trailblazer" trade deal with the UK to show the EU and the United States how quickly Britain can power forward after Brexit.
    Johnson wants a deal with Japan. Well, because the UK does not have the diplomatic staff to negotiate a deal with the EU, much less Japan... First Johnson has to staff up. Then there is the years of negotiation for any real trade deal. The UK does not have much to offer Japan, and the Japanese are hard negotiators, so the years might be closer to a decade or more.

    But good luck. How old are you? If you are young enough, you might even see the benefits of this all. I am sure your grandchildren or great grandchildren will see some benefits from all this. Not sure how it would be "far bigger than EU's", because the EU is just bigger than the UK, and Japan is just further away than the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Johnson wants a deal with Japan. Well, because the UK does not have the diplomatic staff to negotiate a deal with the EU, much less Japan... First Johnson has to staff up. Then there is the years of negotiation for any real trade deal. The UK does not have much to offer Japan, and the Japanese are hard negotiators, so the years might be closer to a decade or more.

    But good luck. How old are you? If you are young enough, you might even see the benefits of this all. I am sure your grandchildren or great grandchildren will see some benefits from all this. Not sure how it would be "far bigger than EU's", because the EU is just bigger than the UK, and Japan is just further away than the EU.
    Ocean going bullshit!! Why don't you read the article first instead of asking stupid questions ffs? The deal is bigger than the current one between the EU and Japan, meaning that it's far wider in scope. There are also deals with South Korea, South Africa, Australia, Canada, New Zealand ready to go, it's going to be a busy year. As for staff, they have been recruited already and are good to go. BoJo has spent several billions on preparations for Brexit, so please stop spouting crap!!
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    Bozzie is really looking forward to confronting 27 bemused and scornful united countries for an advantageous trading position.




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    This article is worth the attention of both sides. There's a pay wall, so I've picked out the most interesting parts.


    The Davos crowd could learn a thing or two from Boris's new liberal Conservatism

    Fraser Nelson

    After years of bedlam, Britain is now emerging as the most stable country in Europe. Last month’s election gave Boris Johnson one of the strongest mandates in the continent. The chaos of the Theresa May era has been replaced by a sense of political calm to be found almost nowhere else in Europe.

    And from this, a new type of conservatism is emerging. Earlier this week, the Prime Minister told a conference of African leaders that the new post-Brexit immigration system will make it easier for their citizens to work in Britain. The notorious Tory target to cut net migration to the “tens of thousands” was torn up on the PM’s first day.

    This will be deeply confusing for those who thought that Brexit was all about making life harder for immigrants. You can trace this to the standard Davos diagnosis that the choice in politics is between globalism and ugly nationalism – and that those who dislike the EU probably dislike foreigners in general. A great many European politicians had assumed that Johnson was in the latter category: a populist – albeit one who can recite The Iliad in ancient Greek.

    His point – and one that will now become clearer – is that Britain is taking back control of migration policy to better manage globalisation, rather than torpedo it. In the EU the only way of controlling immigration is to be absurdly tough on non-Europeans.

    The Prime Minister is creating a new path across this terrain – using the very conservative principle that you should do what works, and leave others to worry about the ideology. On climate change, too, he’s offering an alternative to the Greta vs Trump pantomime show at Davos. Britain has one of the most ambitious decarbonisation targets in the world but plans to hit it using technology rather than green taxes.

    Perhaps Johnson’s greatest achievement – and one that amazes other conservatives – is his demolition of Labour’s ‘red wall’ and his winning places that had voted Labour for most of a century. Tories didn’t really think this was possible until a few weeks ago and it was by no means all their doing. Labour has been steadily moving away from working class communities for years, pursuing well-heeled graduates more interested in culture wars than anything else.

    The European politicians who spent so much of last year mocking the Boris story are now changing their tune. Victories like his are pretty rare nowadays, and no one else has worked out how to vanquish populism. Britain will leave the EU as the only member state with no populist parties in parliament – a feat that other European leaders can only dream of copying.

    In France, the Republican Party are the flagbearers of the mainstream Right and have been looking to London for lessons but getting the wrong end of the stick. Bruno Retailleau, the Republicans’ Senate Leader, was gushing about how Boris had successfully responded to “the fear of becoming a foreigner in your own home.” This is precisely wrong: the Tories won, in part, because they never used such language. The BNP [British National Party, quasi-fascist, never got any MPs] once did, and it perished.

    In the 1990s, Tony Blair spoke about creating a “third way” between Left and Right. He’d never use the phrase but Johnson is doing something similar, staking out a route between nationalism and globalism. It’s new territory and he’s still feeling his way – but so far he’s the first leader in Europe to make a success out of this new conservatism.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-conservatism/

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    In the 1990s, Tony Blair spoke about creating a “third way” between Left and Right. He’d never use the phrase but Johnson is doing something similar, staking out a route between nationalism and globalism. It’s new territory and he’s still feeling his way – but so far he’s the first leader in Europe to make a success out of this new conservatism.
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    The natives are revolting, no big surprise there!

    EU CIVIL WAR: France and Germany row erupts over Macron 'wasting £84m' of bloc funds

    A FURIOUS EU row has erupted between France and Germany, after a key ally of Emmanuel Macron became embroiled in a war of words over so-called "European vanity projects".

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-Angela-Merkel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    What I am seeing is an EU who no longer cares. Johnson got his best offer, and they now regret giving him such a nice offer. I doubt he could get it now.

    You can keep hoping that there will be a better offer. The fact is the EU cannot give you a better offer. If they allow the UK to get all the benefits with none of the costs, then everyone is going to want all the benefits with none of the costs.
    yes. the eu will breakdown, as all false things should.
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