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Anatta appears to have a better grasp ot the geo-politics of the Ukraine than you, Snowflake,Originally Posted by PoliTalker
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"Don't ask, Don't tell"
Has now become ...
"Don't ask why the aid was halted, and Don't Tell the press how your really feel about Trump."
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Donbass is traditionally majority ethnic Ukrainian, but many Ukranians there speak Russian as their primary language. In the same way large parts of Los Angeles county has Spanish as a primary language. Making Donbass a Russophilic region, but not majority ethnic Russian
You and the Kremlin unfortunately do not have the moral authority to wax poetic about the rights of independence movements in the former USSR. The Kremlin fought two brutal and bloody wars to keep the majority Muslim Chechens from establishing independence for the Chechen Republic
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if you say so,then Russians have to be very close in population. From what I know a lot of the population works in Russia as well. but "Russophillic" it is then
Whatever teh population the separatists won the vote - and whatever the value of the vote it's
certainly a BAD IDEA to prolong that war by arming the Ukriane militias.
If we've learned nothing else, then it's a bad mistake to get into foreign civil war
(like arming the FSA in Syria)
by now you should understand I do not do "moral authority" in foreign policy.You and the Kremlin unfortunately do not have the moral authority to wax poetic about the rights of independence movements in the former USSR. The Kremlin fought two brutal and bloody wars to keep the majority Muslim Chechens from establishing independence for the Chechen Republic
It's a bad addition to realpolitik the relationship is all that counts
This has been bad news since we meddled in the Euromaidan, effectively starting that police riot
which cause Poro. to threaten the lease, which caused the annexation,
which drove NATO into the middle of the Black Sea.
Get out of it. it's not our war. Obama had the best policy of defensive non-lethal weapons
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The aid wasn't halted you fucking liar. Can libs ever advance their anti-American agenda, without lying? Evidently not.
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Earl (01-24-2020)
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Donbass = Putin expansionism.
Trying to rebuild the USSR, one Crimea at a time.
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simplistic . Russian troops are not in Donbass.
It's much more a civil war between the Kyiv, and eastern factions (separatists)
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Hello anatta,
Yeah right. Not buyin it. It's common knowledge Russia is fighting Ukraine over that region. They took Crimea and they are trying to take Donbass. Why would anybody in their right mind want to be part of Russia when they could be in a free state with an exciting fresh new young anti-corruption government?
Must be some real high power propaganda at work there.
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Obvious question, why was the plank condemning Russia's invasion of the Crimean removed from the Republican party platform? It is almost like trump owed Putin something.
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IF HOLDING AID FROM UKRAINE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS IS AN "AGGREGIOUS THREAT TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY" (even though it DID NOT EFFECT THEIR ACCESS to JAVELIN MISSILES)...what THE FUCK WAS THIS?
OIUTRIGHT TREASON??? MORE OF OBAMA's KOWTOWING TO PUTIN...AT THE RISK OF OUR "NATIONAL SECURITY"...RIGHT STALIN-O-CRATS?
OBAMA REFUSED ANY LETHAL AID TO HELP THE UKRAINIANS REPEL THE RUSSIAN INVADERS AT ALL...UNLIKE PRES. TRUMP....the STALIN-O-CRATS' CLAIMS JUST GET MORE AND MORE RIDICULOUS....
FROM 2014...after the "More flexibility promise" :
Obama Won’t Arm Ukraine Because He Led the Disarming of Ukraine
Rich’s excellent column on Obama’s fecklessness in the face of Putin’s Ukraine aggression notes that the president has resisted not only causing real pain to Russia’s economy but providing the Ukrainian military with the weapons it needs to defend its sovereign territory and defeat Putin’s thugs. On the latter, Charles Krauthammer made similar observations here.
Meanwhile, the Daily Beast’s Eli Lake reports that among the defensive assets our government has denied Ukraine is “radar jamming and detection equipment necessary to evade and counter [Russian] anti-aircraft systems.” Last month, when it became clear that Moscow was providing the anti-aircraft systems to the Russia-backed rebels, Kiev asked this equipment. Last week, one of those systems was used to shoot down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, killing 298 people.
I do not think the president’s opposition to arming Ukraine is explained by his intentional American decline, his stated desire that the conflict not escalate (as if Ukrainian weakness somehow discourages Putin’s aggression), or the risible suggestion—advanced by Obama’s former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton—that Russian operatives shooting planes out of the sky is Europe’s problem.
We should be arming the Ukrainians not only because it is in our national interest to repel Putin’s ambitions, but also because we are the ones who disarmed the Ukrainians. Yet, that goes a long way toward explaining the president’s reluctance: as I’ve pointed out before, the American government official who was at the forefront of disarming Ukraine was none other than Senator Barack Obama. The Daily Mail had the report back in March:
As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea. In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site. The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds. After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.
A press release from then-Senator Lugar’s office included then-Senator Obama’s puerile proclamation that eliminating Ukraine’s stocks of conventional weapons would ensure “the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around the world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.” Rearming Ukraine now would underscore how wrong he was. That political embarrassment is a big reason why he refuses to do what needs to be done.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ew-c-mccarthy/
DEFEND THIS SHIT, LEFTNINNIES....^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..
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Earl (01-24-2020)
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Hello Walt,
Oh, that's funny. Didn't see that. Trump's really got them wrapped around his middle finger.
Amazing they never figured out if you play with fire you get burned.
Will the post-Trump era be the smoking remains of the Republican party?
They're all diggin their graves supporting this guy. Sooner or later the truth is coming out and all the dirt will be exposed. No way they're gonna be able to rewrite history on this one. This is worse than Nixon. They guy is the most selfish and immature President ever. And lousy at policy.
We have to get rid of Trump to save the climate, the number one issue for all humans, and naturally he gets it wrong.
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YEAH..MUST BE WHY TRUMP BOMBED THE RUSSIANS' ASSES IN SYRIA...AND ARMED UKRAINE...UNLIKE THE OBMAIDIOT..MEANWHILE:
FROM 2014...after the "More flexibility promise" :
Obama Won’t Arm Ukraine Because He Led the Disarming of Ukraine
Rich’s excellent column on Obama’s fecklessness in the face of Putin’s Ukraine aggression notes that the president has resisted not only causing real pain to Russia’s economy but providing the Ukrainian military with the weapons it needs to defend its sovereign territory and defeat Putin’s thugs. On the latter, Charles Krauthammer made similar observations here.
Meanwhile, the Daily Beast’s Eli Lake reports that among the defensive assets our government has denied Ukraine is “radar jamming and detection equipment necessary to evade and counter [Russian] anti-aircraft systems.” Last month, when it became clear that Moscow was providing the anti-aircraft systems to the Russia-backed rebels, Kiev asked this equipment. Last week, one of those systems was used to shoot down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, killing 298 people.
I do not think the president’s opposition to arming Ukraine is explained by his intentional American decline, his stated desire that the conflict not escalate (as if Ukrainian weakness somehow discourages Putin’s aggression), or the risible suggestion—advanced by Obama’s former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton—that Russian operatives shooting planes out of the sky is Europe’s problem.
We should be arming the Ukrainians not only because it is in our national interest to repel Putin’s ambitions, but also because we are the ones who disarmed the Ukrainians. Yet, that goes a long way toward explaining the president’s reluctance: as I’ve pointed out before, the American government official who was at the forefront of disarming Ukraine was none other than Senator Barack Obama. The Daily Mail had the report back in March:
As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea. In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site. The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds. After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.
A press release from then-Senator Lugar’s office included then-Senator Obama’s puerile proclamation that eliminating Ukraine’s stocks of conventional weapons would ensure “the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around the world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.” Rearming Ukraine now would underscore how wrong he was. That political embarrassment is a big reason why he refuses to do what needs to be done.
WHO'S PUTIN's BITCH, AGAIN, WHO WAS POTUS WHEN CRIMES WAS CEDED??? FORGET THAT "LITTLE DETAIL", DIPSHITS.
THE LYING LEFT ALWAYS ACCUSES EVERYONE ELSE OF WHAT THEY THEMSLEVES ARE GUILTY OF....ALWAYS.
TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..
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Earl (01-24-2020)
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ROFL..not buying it -and you can't even differentiate Crimea annexation from the war??
The RUSSIAN SEPARATIST look to Russia much more then Kyiv based UkraineBecause they consider themselves of Russian origin, speak Russian and some work in Russia as wellWhy would anybody in their right mind want to be part of Russia when they could be in a free state
Earl (01-24-2020)
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Hello anatta,
I'm sure the Russians found some sympathizers who have made enemies in Ukraine, but I don't for a minute believe Russia is some innocent bystander. Russia is as corrupt as a nation gets and Putin would not hesitate to expand his empire.
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