Default From the Greta files: It is getting hot out there, folks: public discussion.

[archives]

Again, Cypress thinks he can keep this kind of thing in the kiddie pool. Bringing it out to the adult pool for anyone to discuss.

OP:


Again, not thinking for himself at all. Not realizing that it is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We have nowhere near enough thermometers.
Both NOAA and NASA are publishing random numbers as 'data'.

That's government agencies for ya.

Did you just started a post and then respond to yourself twelve times afterwards? For real?

[Into the Night]

Wow, Into The Night has outsmarted every scientist on Earth with his magical thinking...

You don't get to speak for every scientist. You only get to speak for you.

Actually, he is completely wrong.

Nope. The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law are very real theories of science.

Energy comes to the Earth from the Sun, as solar radiation, so is not covered under thermodynamics.

Yes it is. Radiant heating of the Earth by the Sun follows all the laws of thermodynamics.

The solar radiation is converted into heat on the Earth,

Heat is not energy. It is not contained in anything. The Sun heating the Earth IS heat. Heat is the flow of thermal energy. It is not the thermal energy itself. It can occur by conductance, convection, or radiance.

and radiates off the Earth.

Also a form of heating, this time by the Earth into space.

It radiates at different rates depending on the insulation of the Earth.

Nope. You can't trap light. You can't trap heat. You can't trap thermal energy. There is always heat.

If insulation breaks the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, and the Stefan-Boltzmann Law, then the construction industry has been wasting a lot of money.

It doesn't. Earth has no insulation. Earth is Earth.

[Into the Night]

The Sun heats the earth. I would not call the solar radiation "Magick", but it would definitely be photons (not protons). The atmosphere insulates the Earth. This all seems very proven to me.

The atmosphere does not insulate the Earth. It is part of the Earth. Heat can flow by radiance.

You cannot trap light. You cannot trap heat. You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.

You cannot reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time. (Stefan-Boltzmann law).

[Into the Night]

Did you just started a post and then respond to yourself twelve times afterwards? For real?

Not responding to myself. I am forwarding a thread from the kiddie pool. Pay attention.

[Walt]

You can't trap heat.

Night is actually arguing that insulation is impossible.

It doesn't. Earth has no insulation. Earth is Earth.

Without any insulation, the Earth would be as cold as the surrounding space. That is very cold.

[Walt]

The atmosphere does not insulate the Earth. It is part of the Earth. Heat can flow by radiance.

And the walls do not insulate the house; they are part of the house?

[anonymoose]

Hmmm. A debatable point.

She has several physical characteristics of Down's Syndorme.

[Into the Night]

Night is actually arguing that insulation is impossible.

Insulation does not trap heat. It REDUCES heat.

Without any insulation, the Earth would be as cold as the surrounding space. That is very cold.

At the top of the atmosphere, it IS as cold as the surrounding space. Here on the surface, we have an atmosphere. It takes time to heat it, and it takes time to cool it. It is the same with heating and cooling the surface.

There is no insulation in Earth's atmosphere.

[Into the Night]

And the walls do not insulate the house; they are part of the house?

They do, but remember, there is a furnace inside the house. Without that furnace, the house is the same temperature as the outside.

[Into the Night]

She has several physical characteristics of Down's Syndorme.

Now that you mention it....hmmmmm.